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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by jmb99 » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:24 AM UTC

sanex wrote: post #370

BJones12 wrote: post #8

> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

Even my immigrant friends in Canada think there are too many immigrants.

Quote from a Chinese friend of mine form over the holidays (currently in Canada on a work visa, applying for a PR shortly, started as an exchange student in highschool):

“I really like coming back to [jmb99’s hometown], it’s all white people. Nice change from Toronto.”

Definitely a common sentiment.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by diogocp » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:24 AM UTC

alpha_squared wrote: post #278

highcountess wrote: post #262

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> It will only get worse. All the research on “diversity” clearly shows that diversity is cleary associated with increased strife, struggle, conflict and war or abuses and atrocities. It’s a very clear signal in research. Interested in reading more. Sources?

Easterly and Levine (1997) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24091596_Africa's_G...

Alesina, Baqir and Easterly (1999) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/24091676_Public_Goo...

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:26 AM UTC

titanomachy wrote: post #182

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #152

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Who’s Justine?

Justin Trudeau, maybe the "e" was an accident. He's about to receive a no-confidence vote from the opposition parties in parliament, which will force an election.

Oh I know, was just playing the “you can’t even get the name right?” card.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by loloquwowndueo » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:27 AM UTC

sn0wf1re wrote: post #212

titanomachy wrote: post #182

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Justin Trudeau, maybe the "e" was an accident. He's about to receive a no-confidence vote from the opposition parties in parliament, which will force an election.

"Justine" is what some people who disapprove of him are calling him. It's a mocking conspiracy theory that JT's wife left him due to him being transexual.

Wow nice to learn that names 12-year-olds use to refer to public figures have gone mainstream :)

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by gassiss » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:27 AM UTC

FpUser wrote: post #388

jt2190 wrote: post #333

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Canada is in a demographic crisis: The birthrate is too low, the population is aging and the country can’t afford to provide people with all of the social benefits AND have no laborers paying in to the benefit system. Importing lots of young labor rebalances the demographics and bolsters funding of benefits, at the expense of a housing crisis and social tensions. The alternative is to deeply cut benefits, which is po…

Canada could have imported as many young educated people as it wanted from Eastern European countries, Russia, former USSR members etc. What happens in reality is they can't get enough points due to some truly moronic rules. Yet somehow we mostly have people from other parts of the world whose main specialty is food delivery.

canada is very protective of its regulated fields. if you didn't graduate in the US or Canada, it's very hard for an immigrant to become a vet/dentist/doctor/lawyer/engineer/accountant/etc. So these people end up in a rut where they are either delivering food, or stuck in an entry level job forever

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by Amezarak » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:28 AM UTC

mainframed wrote: post #237

guywithahat wrote: post #190

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I mean racism isn't directly associated with support or opposition for immigration. You can be opposed to all immigration, even support remigration, and not be racist

Remigration [...] is a [...] political concept referring to the forced or promoted return of non-ethnically European immigrants, often including their descendants who were born in Europe, back to their place of racial origin, typically with no regard for their citizenship [^1] Sounds pretty racist to me. Maybe you can be clearer on what you mean by non-racist remigration? The far-right groups, which are, at least in…

I think a lot of these discussions get held up on what "racist" means to them.

I don't think the native people of Hawai'i or the Maori in New Zealand wanting Americans (for the former) and Anglos (for the latter) to leave is "racist."

Similarly, I don't see how Germans wanting non-Germans to leave is racist.

To me, "racist" would imply the belief one is superior to the other, and that's clearly orthogonal to the remigration question.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by slothtrop » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:29 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #209

ipaddr wrote: post #180

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Inheritance goes to young people in the same family. I doubt that is holding back the young people who get it. Immigration keeps salaries low which is great for companies bad for young people. Immigrants of a similar age want the same type of housing. Young people starting out cannot afford their parents home. They compete for the same resources. Older generations are least affected.

a) Inheritance is a problem because instead of property going back onto the market it is instead like you say kept inside families and typically used as investment properties. b) Immigration isn't keeping salaries low. Companies are. Because they have eliminated unionisation and so workers have no means to demand for higher wages. And with so much remote talent companies always have a backup plan in case there is a s…

> workers have no means to demand for higher wages

And yet, many workers do make higher wages. Why do you think that is?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by userbinator » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:31 AM UTC

femiagbabiaka wrote: post #379

mistermann wrote: post #366

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>Reddit is completely astroturfed What % of the Reddit userbase is non-legitimate, what is the source of the illegitimate users, and what is the source of your knowledge on this matter?

Astroturfing does not equal botting, although I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many bot farms active on Reddit. The platform is virtually designed to be manipulated now, awards being an egregious example. Here’s an article about one such astroturfing campaign from folks who do not share my political tendencies: https://thefederalist.com/2024/10/29/busted-the-inside-story...

It's not surprising that Reddit leans left on average, but what really deserves attention now is that the sentiment seems to be shifting in the other direction.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by bufferoverflow » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:31 AM UTC

idiotsecant wrote: post #376

nemo44x wrote: post #341

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> Diversity is wonderful Why? You literally say on your very next sentence that it’s not - that diversity must be destroyed through integration and a melting pot. Diversity and immigration always has a cost and that’s the destruction of your existing culture in part. Sometimes that tradeoff is worth it. But you can’t overdo it. And getting pissed at the people that don’t integrate is barking up the wrong tree. They n…

I get some amusement out of people who are afraid of other cultures. Having a lot of cultures smooshed together is a culture. How do you think you got the culture you have now? Pro tip: the culture that existed when you were 12 years old might seem like it's the most emotionally 'correct' but it represents a blip in time and is no more or less significant than what came before or after it. Have some sense of perspect…

How do you mix a culture that throws gays people off roofs with a culture that celebrates gay people?

To me it's pretty obvious not all cultures are good to mix with.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Post by carlosjobim » Sat, Jan 04, 2025, 1:31 AM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #304

threeseed wrote: post #209

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a) Inheritance is a problem because instead of property going back onto the market it is instead like you say kept inside families and typically used as investment properties. b) Immigration isn't keeping salaries low. Companies are. Because they have eliminated unionisation and so workers have no means to demand for higher wages. And with so much remote talent companies always have a backup plan in case there is a s…

> c) ... It's crazy to me how many old people who self-identify as conservatives / capitalists have no qualms about using their political pull to get government muscle to kill competition in real estate using the building permitting process. Free markets mean free markets. Charlie Munger was right: it's all about incentives.

Traditionalist when it comes to pensions. They paid their share, so young workers should pay them high pensions for decades after retirement.

Capitalists when it comes to ownership. They've made the investments, so young workers should work hard and accept lower wages to pay them shareholder profits. Company taxes should be low.

Socialists when it comes to healthcare. They are old and fragile, so young workers should pay high taxes on their labour to help the old people needing socialized service.

Feudalists when it comes to estates. They are the rightful owners of the land they inherited, so young workers should go into debt for life to buy it off them so that they can cash out lottery money for selling their real estate. Or even better, cash rent money while keeping the property.

Corporatists... I can go on and on.