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Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by exe34 »

sinuhe69 wrote: post #389
exe34 wrote: post #369

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my question is what happens when nobody can afford the stuff that's being produced anymore? I understand that communism hasn't worked so far, but if you don't feed the hordes, you can get Luigied.

The "technological unemployment" you mentioned can only happen if robots/AI replace most of the jobs on the market. But then it means that we have already automated most production and therefore UBI could be an option (taxing the machine). Otherwise, there will always be a demand for labor. It's not just production that the world economy is about. I see no limit to growth in services such as health, education and ent…

you assume that people can be retrained instantly or that they can afford to support themselves while they retrain, or even that they even have the capability to learn new trades/skills. in practice in the past I think a lot of people have simply dropped out of the workforce and relied on welfare.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by FpUser »

Dalewyn wrote: post #309
jasdi wrote: post #298

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This is one of the biggest reasons why China or India are threat to the West. Because their Engineers are constantly in situations were they have to work with much less resources. And they come up with stuff that constantly surprises people for being much cheaper. The western reaction is to then go and buy them out. Its not going to work forever. They have already taken over large swathes of the tech landscape. Even…

For how much we all bitch about beancounters, I'm kind of surprised that beancounters haven't managed to convince management to buy bottom-of-the-barrel Celeron laptops for software developers. Make those fucking assholes use the hardware of the people instead of some monstrosity with a 256 cores CPU and 48 TB of RAM and 24 exabytes of enterprise SSD and an RTX Cinco Grande connected via optical fiber to the Amazonfl…

I use "monster" desktops for my development. I appreciate luxury of language servers, proper syntax highlighting, smart complete etc. etc. Output results however are absolutely tiny (for what they do) single executable enterprise backends, firmware for microcontrollers etc. etc. Also produce desktop same style software. Runs fine on ancient computers.

So there is a use for fat development stations. Increases my productivity which is very important as I am an independent vendor and pay for all my tools.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by FpUser »

talldayo wrote: post #175
jurli wrote: post #164

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It's literally happening lol. When you were a kid China was making shoes and their GDP is 10% of the US. Now they're making drones / evs / high end electornics and it's 80%. This is why people's perception is so unreliable because it's impossible to notice things when they happen over a lifetime

When I was a kid, China was a lot better integrated with the international community. Right now their relationships are far and few between, rarely featuring first-world nations. If Russia couldn't beat NATO in a pitched fight against the rest of the world, neither can China.

>"If Russia couldn't beat NATO in a pitched fight against the rest of the world, neither can China."

The "rest of the world" is not limited by NATO. And China is not fighting "the rest of the world". It trades with it, invests and does all kinds of other things. But sure keeping one's head in a sand is a nice position.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by FpUser »

roca wrote: post #249
joshbaptiste wrote: post #179

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As a sovereign nation rises in power you'll notice how it slowly starts losing favor from USA

If it's a democracy and reasonably friendly to the USA, it's not a big deal. In the 1990s everyone thought Japan was going to be the next superpower and that was just fine.

>"... and that was just fine."

No it was not. The US had taken whole bunch of steps to prevent this from happening and those steps were anything but "let's free market decide" and "compete on merits".

It is a real problem for any country or block. As soon as it looks like it threatens leading position of the US all the gloves come of. Obviously not specific to the US. Any other country would do the same given a chance.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by FpUser »

cheinic830405 wrote: post #295
bugglebeetle wrote: post #254

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Sure thing, Dr. Pangloss. > Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/11/05/the-average-age-of-first... > U.S. homelessness rose 18 percent in 2024, continuing multi-year upward trend > https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-homelessness-rose-18... > analysis of government data estimates that people in the United States owe at least $220 billion in medical debt. http…

> Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. And why is this a problem? What is wrong with renting for life, exactly? I’m seeing more and more people own rental properties, but do not own their primary residence by choice.

>"And why is this a problem?"

As a free person I want to own my place. I have better ways to spend my money rather than feeding some asshole

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by econ »

cheinic830405 wrote: post #295
bugglebeetle wrote: post #254

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Sure thing, Dr. Pangloss. > Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/11/05/the-average-age-of-first... > U.S. homelessness rose 18 percent in 2024, continuing multi-year upward trend > https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-homelessness-rose-18... > analysis of government data estimates that people in the United States owe at least $220 billion in medical debt. http…

> Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. And why is this a problem? What is wrong with renting for life, exactly? I’m seeing more and more people own rental properties, but do not own their primary residence by choice.

Here in NL we first went from non profits owned by the members to gov housing. They just took everything without payment. Then they privatized everything and the corporation got the houses for free. All was fine for a few years then profit became the only agenda point while they were already swimming in free money and didn't want to build. Building was not attractive compared to getting houses for free. All rents are now maximized to the legal limit of course. They also run various inspection teams to force people to make their neighborhood look more expensive so the value goes up so that the rent can be increased further. For maintenance one can call 1 hour per week. They pretty much have lavish offices full of overpaid paperclip maximizers who don't do anything anyone needs, on the contrary, things would be better if they did nothing.

To add to the irony there are also self-made landlords who do similar work on similar scale on their own! They are usually available for defects and damages day and night.

Back when the people owned the non profits they build and fixed everything asap on the cheap. It might even be better than owning the home directly.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by bdangubic »

FpUser wrote: post #405
cheinic830405 wrote: post #295

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> Average age of first-time homebuyers is 38, an all-time high. And why is this a problem? What is wrong with renting for life, exactly? I’m seeing more and more people own rental properties, but do not own their primary residence by choice.

>"And why is this a problem?" As a free person I want to own my place. I have better ways to spend my money rather than feeding some asshole

if you want to be a free person and own your place you may have to move out of the USA as in the USA you are not allowed to own your place. each year you have to pay (via “property tax”) for the right to occupy the property which you are not legally allowed to own. 23 states even prohibit people from owning cars… so not really all that free :)

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by FpUser »

bdangubic wrote: post #407
FpUser wrote: post #405

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>"And why is this a problem?" As a free person I want to own my place. I have better ways to spend my money rather than feeding some asshole

if you want to be a free person and own your place you may have to move out of the USA as in the USA you are not allowed to own your place. each year you have to pay (via “property tax”) for the right to occupy the property which you are not legally allowed to own. 23 states even prohibit people from owning cars… so not really all that free :)

I live in Canada, own house and pay property taxes. Cut the BS. You know what I mean under own. Yes ownership is limited but even limited it is much better than throwing away extra dosh to some middleman I do not give a flying fuck about.

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by bdangubic »

FpUser wrote: post #408
bdangubic wrote: post #407

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if you want to be a free person and own your place you may have to move out of the USA as in the USA you are not allowed to own your place. each year you have to pay (via “property tax”) for the right to occupy the property which you are not legally allowed to own. 23 states even prohibit people from owning cars… so not really all that free :)

I live in Canada, own house and pay property taxes. Cut the BS. You know what I mean under own. Yes ownership is limited but even limited it is much better than throwing away extra dosh to some middleman I do not give a flying fuck about.

this is “common wisdom” that owning is better, the “math” on that seldom checks out

https://www.kiplinger.com/real-estate/buying-a-home/renting-...

Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race

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Post by BlueTemplar »

jasdi wrote: post #298
Dalewyn wrote: post #262

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Whoever are downvoting this really don't understand that expanding a congested highway merely widens the congestion instead of alleviating it. Software today require several dozen gigabytes of RAM and two dozen CPU cores just to render some simple fucking text because everyone has several dozen gigabytes of RAM and two dozen CPU cores.

This is one of the biggest reasons why China or India are threat to the West. Because their Engineers are constantly in situations were they have to work with much less resources. And they come up with stuff that constantly surprises people for being much cheaper. The western reaction is to then go and buy them out. Its not going to work forever. They have already taken over large swathes of the tech landscape. Even…

I'm always baffled by this "forget how to cook at home" example, but I suspect this is more about having fast food within walking distance, while not having a grocery store within walking distance ??
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