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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by Widdershin »

sleepdeep wrote: post #394
idoubtit wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The percentage of revenue from Google has fallen every year since 2016. "Fallen" is too strong a word: Google still provided 81% of Mozilla's revenue in 2022. This share probably decreased in 2023, but that's mostly because the revenue increased by $40M thanks to financial operations (see "Interest and dividend income" in Mozilla's annual report for 2023).

Who will pay the bills when Google is forced to end that search contracts?

One of the other bidders, like when Yahoo won the bidding in the early 2010s.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by sitkack »

mdaniel wrote: post #400
sitkack wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I generally frown on calculating market size like this, but 10% of the top 1B is 100m, if 1% of those paid a dollar a month, that is a million a month. Good for 100 fang eng. If Wikipedia can do it, a browser can do it.

I hear you, and ironically I'm actually already in the target demographic of willing to pay for software I use and enjoy. Then again, I find that I am often an outlier in the "lengths folks will go to for good experiences" camp Anyway, at this moment in my life I don't have the emotional energy to launch this project, but if someone does then please tag me and let me know This project seems especially ripe for succes…

I am in the same boat, but luckily we just stumbled across tech that can help solve this problem.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by nullc »

knallfrosch wrote: post #343
mort96 wrote: post #322

I have to ask: why, exactly, does it make sense for Mozilla to invest heavily into running expensive servers to run vanity chat bots for people? What's the path here to something which improves their financial situation or browser market share? How isn't this just yet another random service they'll throw money into for a couple of years before shutting down?

In 2-3 years, devices will run this locally.

It's easy to run models of this size locally already.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by bayindirh »

bowsamic wrote: post #271
bayindirh wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least, I’m not feeding Google directly with my every keystroke, so that’s a plus. At least in my eyes. Sometimes we have to be pragmatic, especially if being pedantic is detrimental to our aims. Happy new year.

Sure I do think we need to be pragmatic which is why I was questioning your original principle, but you don’t seem willing to abide by your stated principle at all. I’m just not sure why you said it if you have no intention to stand behind it

Just tell me a viable alternative. I'll migrate to it.

    - Not funded by an advertising company / data broker, etc.
    - Not chromium based.
    - Not a Firefox fork.
    - Works on Linux & MacOS natively.
    - Daily-driveable (i.e. functionally equivalent with Firefox).

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by bowsamic »

bayindirh wrote: post #404
bowsamic wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure I do think we need to be pragmatic which is why I was questioning your original principle, but you don’t seem willing to abide by your stated principle at all. I’m just not sure why you said it if you have no intention to stand behind it

Just tell me a viable alternative. I'll migrate to it. - Not funded by an advertising company / data broker, etc. - Not chromium based. - Not a Firefox fork. - Works on Linux & MacOS natively. - Daily-driveable (i.e. functionally equivalent with Firefox).

There isn't one, which was my point. By your originally stated principle, you are screwed, but now you seem to be just pretending you never stated that principle. I can quote it again if you like:

> As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

That is what YOU said. All you've been doing is against your own quote. I think the quote is stupid, for the reasons you pointed out. I'm just trying to show you that you're the one who said it, but you seem to be totally unwilling to admit that you did, even though it is clearly publicly there

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by akimbostrawman »

i_love_retros wrote: post #299

Why so much hate for Firefox in these comments? What's a better browser that isn't basically advertising spyware (i.e. chrome, edge) ?

>What's a better browser

Not Firefox but forks based on it such as Tor Browser, Mullvad Browser or LibreWolf.

https://privacytests.org/

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by timtom123 »

andhuman wrote: post #224

Related, I made a small extension for chrome that talks to ollama: https://github.com/tobias-varden/llama-explain-extension

I like yours better. I can't even find the source for Mozilla's and yours does not have google analytics.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by facialwipe »

sleepdeep wrote: post #394
idoubtit wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The percentage of revenue from Google has fallen every year since 2016. "Fallen" is too strong a word: Google still provided 81% of Mozilla's revenue in 2022. This share probably decreased in 2023, but that's mostly because the revenue increased by $40M thanks to financial operations (see "Interest and dividend income" in Mozilla's annual report for 2023).

Who will pay the bills when Google is forced to end that search contracts?

It is unlikely the incoming DOJ will pursue a breakup of Alphabet.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by kbelder »

JFingleton wrote: post #348
ph1lw wrote: post #277

Unfortunately no BYOLLM. Brave supports bringing your own LLM e.g. through Ollama Besides that I'm using AI Summary Helper plugin for Chromium-based browsers https://philffm.github.io/ai-summary-helper/ which also allows using Ollama (or OpenAI / Mistral), asking questions to articles and inserting summaries right into the DOM (which is perfect for hoarding articles / forwarding them to Kindle)

> Brave supports bringing your own LLM e.g. through Ollama It's a shame Brave is so far ahead of the game but no one seems to notice.

I run Brave at home and a local LLM on the same machine, and didn't know this. I guess I'll be playing around this weekend.
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