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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by jm547ster »

wiseowise wrote: post #306
jiehong wrote: post #258

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Three letters agencies

You mean KGB, or what? I’ve lived for almost 30 years in post-Soviet space and never once I saw “we’re good, they’re bad” propaganda from the West. What I did see is an order of magnitude difference in income, quality of life and rights that people have. So yeah, fuck Russia, fuck KGB and platforms that assist them with doing their dirty work.

CIA/NSA? KGB hasn't existed for more than 30 years, no doubt the FSB will be engaged in similar pursuits

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by solaris152000 »

wordofx wrote: post #84
shalmanese wrote: post #48

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60% of Bytedance is owned by American investors https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/26/technology/tiktok-investo... > Susquehanna, a global trading firm, first invested in ByteDance in 2012 and now owns roughly 15 percent of the company, a person familiar with the investment said. The Chinese arm of Sequoia Capital, a Silicon Valley venture capital firm, invested in ByteDance in 2014 when it was valued at $500 million. S…

Literally does not matter. ByteDance is a Chinese company and beholden to the CCP.

It's name in English is the Communist Part of China, CPC not CCP.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

wiseowise wrote: post #306
jiehong wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three letters agencies

You mean KGB, or what? I’ve lived for almost 30 years in post-Soviet space and never once I saw “we’re good, they’re bad” propaganda from the West. What I did see is an order of magnitude difference in income, quality of life and rights that people have. So yeah, fuck Russia, fuck KGB and platforms that assist them with doing their dirty work.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi...

For example.

The big difference is that China hoovers up a lot of information from cheap security cams and online appliances in the West, and I'm fairly sure the West doesn't do that to China.

As far as media management, PR, propaganda, whatever, I don't see a lot of difference between the regimes. The West profiles its own citizens for both commercial and political ends, and so does China.

The US doesn't want a state propaganda outfit monopolising "entertaintment" access to its under-35s? Fine. Whatever.

Meanwhile Russia hasn't had a problem buying the GOP and on-siding tech oligarchs in the US, and TikTok is a footnote compared to that.

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Post by intended »

roenxi wrote: post #249
intended wrote: post #236

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The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%. MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education. And it still had single digit pass rates. ———- The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward. They are likely very happy while learning. It’s an important part of human survival and existence. We can and should optimize for it. We are going to waste ene…

5% is huge, that is 1 person in 20. 5% of the population having a bachelor's degree was enough to run an advanced society back in the 50s. For a free and easily available good that is quite a significant rate.

5% is not a voting group with weight.

60% isn’t a voting group that can handle parents motivated to take care of their kids.

However, let’s dump politics.

All things being equal, saying we should benefit 5%-20% of the population, at the cost of 95% to 80% of the population, just isnt an argument we can get behind logically.

Privacy is not a small thing to give up, but it is an easy thing to give up.

If there is to be some space for people to live without real ID, a practical alternative and argument is needed.

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Post by franczesko »

kelnos wrote: post #250
brookst wrote: post #172

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Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

Your argument is predicated on the idea that banning TikTok is censorship. It's not. No speech or information is being suppressed; any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms. This isn't like China where the government bans any services they can't control, and directs the services that they can control to suppress any information they don't want people talking about.

"any speech being made on TikTok can instead be made on other platforms"

Tiktok is not banning certain topics, as other platforms do

The elephant in the room, is that content on Tiktok is served algorithmicaly, so if majority of population prefer to watch brainwash content, it's due to their choice, not algorithm's

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by intended »

kelnos wrote: post #240
intended wrote: post #236

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The success rates for MOOCs is usually lower than 5%. MOOCs were the holy grail - free, Quality, any time, education. And it still had single digit pass rates. ———- The people who are self motivated to learn, are probably people who move entire fields forward. They are likely very happy while learning. It’s an important part of human survival and existence. We can and should optimize for it. We are going to waste ene…

I don't think the GP was talking about MOOCs, but self-directed, unstructured learning. My teenage years on the internet before MOOCs were a thing, and I learned plenty.

> … how many of us on this site were able to learn and grow because they got online as teenagers and learned things

MOOCs represent a cohort of self identified, motivated students, with highly flexible and quality learning material.

Completion rates act as a proxy, to estimate how many people will actually avail of the freedoms they have to learn.

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Post by shakna »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #297
0xy wrote: post #245

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The Australian Government has been hacked repeatedly, including the time Centrelink was hacked and they didn't even know they had been infiltrated (and attempted to cover it up). Not to mention their KYC regulations led to the Optus disaster, by forcing telecoms to store PII longer than necessary. Your position is that everyone in Australia should have their PII exposed because parental responsibility belongs with th…

My point is that social media is an active threat to society that is doing vast magnitudes of harm right now, where as authoritarian creep is also a great threat, but it isn't currently eroding our self of self and the sanctity of the individual, and deliberately de-training us to be reactionary animals with no regard for emotional intimacy or others, and nosediving our quality of public discourse. I'm worried of a w…

ID issues are causing real and active harm, right now. The authoritarian creep has led in part to the current homeless crisis. Vulnerable people have been burnt by KYC requirements (what happens when you don't even have a birth certificate anymore?), and burnt again with the inevitable data breaches when poorly implemented (Optus), and then burnt again due to the country's financial class differences.

ID helps to lock a certain class of people out of government services. That group is generally the disenfranchised, the mentally unwell, the disabled, and the kind of people that always get screwed over. The people those services were set up to help - because helping them is actually cheaper than just letting them cause chaos and then die. Unfortunately, post-setup, that cost is ignored for brownie points with various audiences.

You can't reissue IDs for people when you cancel the only ones that they have.

You can't save a generation, when their entire childhood is spent being attacked on the street because their parents dared to create them.

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Post by badestrand »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #189
latentcall wrote: post #153

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Who’s the adversary? China? China is not my adversary even if the United States government thinks so. I believe many Americans would agree with that. To me it seems China made a superior app that the American youth wanted to use and the American social media apparatus was jealous so lobbied to have it banned.

China was supporting russian bot accounts in the recent us election. Sounds pretty adversarial to me

Any evidence and/or links for this? My Google search didn't result in anything substantial.

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Post by [deleted] »

brookst wrote: post #172
mavelikara wrote: post #150

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> You don’t fight censorship with censorship. That doesn’t stand up to even the most cursory thought. You fight censorship with openness. Can you explain this better without the assumption that it is self-evident?

Sure. If censorship is wrong, then it is wrong. If censorship is just fine, the n it is just fine. It is the height of hypocrisy to engage in censorship in the name of stamping out censorship. It feels like a tautology because the opposing viewpoint is a very simple hypocrisy. If you don’t like something, don’t do it.

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