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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Ok I see the final rule does add definitions of "personal collection," so that would cover me. "Occasionally," is not defined, so that's vague. What if I sell 5 at once? What if I sell 1 a week for 5 weeks, is that still occasional? Up to the ATF to decide. After reading the affidavit, it was written before the final rule. The affidavit was written 3/6/24 and the final rule didn't take effect until 30 days after 4/10…

Sure but many laws leave room for reasonable people to decide whether something rises to the level of crime.. I'm not sure it much matters because he was lying on the Federal background check forms which is a separate crime that the ATF was investigating and he was shipping / receiving them over state lines, another crime that's indifferent to whether his selling 150 guns was a hobby.

Yea I saw that, but in the affidavit, it claimed he broke the rule that wasn't in effect yet. "Well he did other stuff," true or not, is kinda hand wavy. They weren't wearing body cams which is required by law. They could have pulled him over, it was a sloppy raid by a sloppy agency who didn't even follow the law themselves.

Apparently the lie, was that he stated on the forms was he answered yes on the question regarding if the firearms were for himself.

Here's another botched incident, not sure what they were thinking here. This certainly seems extra-legal.

In a similar raid last year, more than a dozen ATF agents wearing tactical gear and armed with AR-15s stormed the rural Oklahoma home of Russell Fincher, a high school history teacher, a Baptist pastor and a parttime gun dealer. Fincher now believes their goal was to scare him into relinquishing his Federal Firearm License.

“It was like the Trump raid. They called me out onto my deck and handcuffed me. My son was there and saw the whole thing. He’s 13 years old,” Fincher told the Second Amendment Foundation last year. “They held me on the porch for about an hour. I was surrounded by agents. One by one, they yelled at me about what I was doing. In my mind, I decided if they were going to beat me up over every little thing, I’m done. As soon as I said, ‘If you want my FFL, you can have it,’ one of the agents pulled out a piece of paper and said, ‘Well then sign here.’ He had made three copies in case I screwed one up. It was exactly what they wanted. I was shocked.”

Bottom half of this article.

https://saf.org/atf-swat-raid-that-killed-arkansas-man-raise...

Either way, I'm glad you pointed out the "personal collection," part.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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It will always be a challenge to allocate limited healthcare resources. It's an unsettled question why the US accepts such an expensive means (private health insurance) of doing so.

> why the US accepts Because we don't have another option. Your job dictates your insurance, not you, and most jobs explicitly search for insurance companies that don't end up costing them much (but cover enough that people still think they have coverage, maybe). There's stories going around right now about how BlueCrossBlueShield is going to be dictating the amount of time during a surgery that anesthesia will be co…

> Your job dictates your insurance, not you, and most jobs [...]

This is answering the question with a very narrow focus on what any one person can do. Sure, when I filled out my job's open enrollment last month, there was no checkbox labeled "Evil Corporation Insurer (y/n)", but there's no inviolable law of nature that requires the US to be this way.

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Propaganda of the deed? I guess suspects will be a list of people who have been paying into United Health Care insurance who thought they were covered, but got turned down, possibly for a terminal illness, for greater profits.

For those unfamiliar with the term:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_of_the_deed>

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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The majority has all the power and the current system is what the majority wants. Being a frustrated minority does not excuse violence.

> Being a frustrated minority does not excuse violence. - random Internet comment in response to the execution of John Brown, 1859

Ethan Hawke has some great lines in The Good Lord Bird as John Brown.

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That's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody w…

>There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

The people you see with tables full of firearms for sale at gun shows are literally all FFL dealers.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Someone claimed health insurance companies came up with “death panels”, I provided evidence and logic to the contrary. No one is ranting, but there does seem to be a lot of “I feel like this could have happened, so I am going to choose to believe this happened because it confirms my priors”.

That's not correct. The OP said that >we let insurance companies label government triage as "death panels" Who said the term first doesn't matter. Who popularized it does. Insurance lobbyists and the conservative politicians they funded did.

And I see no sources that insurance companies had anything to do with it, just assertions.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

#408

Do a search for 'UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients' and see what comes up. I'm not saying this is deserved, more that I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to just up and execute an insurance CEO.

Per Reddit: "One is a high powered assassin whose livelihood depends on his ability to rationalize beyond emotion to calculate the cost of a life. The other guy is still alive."

Edit: I would love to make $20/minute every day finding ways to drive people into medical bankruptcy, despair, and death, just like him, because being rich is awesome. :)

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I'm not saying that you're wrong, or that I feel that killing is OK, but as others have expressed throughout this thread, it feels weird to say stuff like that in regards to a company that itself has normalized letting people die for the sake of higher profits.

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> The tone has shifted in a way that people who would have never be considered violent, are out buying weapons. I think that's what happens when people feel a peaceful discussion is going nowhere. The frustration only increases while available non-violent solutions appear to shrink. The Black Panthers, Palestinian terrorism... There's nothing good about it, but I find it entirely unsurprising.

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