Dumb question but my assumption is fiber optic cables could be “tapped”? But the disruption would be noticeable when monitoring the cable. Could you just tap it when you cut it and when it hooked back up that’s the new baseline with the tap in place? That would seem more of a logical reason then a country just randomly cutting lines to me?
Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
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#402Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "We" already screwed their pipeline unfortunately, "we" didnt have to pay a sacrifice to the economy for it, because germany paid it. The US is too afraid of nukes, and won't escalate. The russians rightly predicted this.
Germany was told to stop buying Russian gas financing the Russian war machine by the previous Trump administration. They were told to pledge 2% of their GDP for defense, contributing more to NATO. They didn't listen. This is what happened: Ukraine got invaded, the pipeline was blown up to ensure compliance, their defense spending reachd 2% this year, more two years too late in a worse economic climate. Next year, the…
Don't forget how Germany's exports of chips and machinery to places like Kyrgyzstan skyrocketed since the invasion.
> Exports of motor vehicles and motor vehicle parts to Kyrgyzstan grew particularly strongly in the first quarter, soaring more than 4,000% from a very small base to over 84 million euros... That came after a six-fold rise in German exports to Kyrgyzstan last year following Russia's February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/german-exports-russias-neighbo...
I know people in Kyrgyzstan, trust me they did not suddenly become industrialized when Russia invaded
Anecdotally, as a Russian, some of my craziest interactions with foreigners who support the thugs in Russian gov, blame US/NATO for Russian aggression and totally buy the propaganda were with Germans. (Not a proper data point, just venting frustration, Germany get your act together...)
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Really? That's exactly how the Russians perceive the EU. They are perceived as weak. There is no way they would have started the invasion if they were afraid of them. They are engaging in asymmetrical warfare because they are convinced they can demonstrate that to the world as well "look what we are doing there and well we get is phone calls form Sholz" [1] > Scholz condemned the war of aggression against Ukraine >…
> That's exactly how the Russians perceive the EU. They are perceived as weak Europe has been weak. The difference is Russia is weak while trying its hardest. Europe is weak because it can't bother to try. > That might look like a "power move" by Germany but it looks absolutely weak in the eyes of Putin Nobody considers condemnations power moves. Also, Putin's track record in reading who's too weak to do what doesn't…
How is it trying its hardest when it hasn’t declared a full scale mobilization, hasn’t closed its borders, or switched to war time economy?
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#404This would be an excellent time for Germany to announce that it is tripling munitions production, and that they’re going to do whatever they have to do to protect the territorial integrity of Europe. But they won’t.
As risky as it may sound, they will triple the depth of concerns.
The Taurus
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#405It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…
A 1 in 36 million chance for three breaks in one day. https://mathb.in/80217
Today’s that day. Start the clock for the next one.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. They already do, because those are old, garbage ships 2. It's not exactly in the interests of NATO to have those ships start spilling tons of oil in the North Atlantic The problem of that "shadow fleet" is precisely that those are old, uninsured vessels that cause environmental risks.
> not exactly in the interests of NATO to have those ships start spilling tons of oil in the North Atlantic Since when did engine troubles cause an oil spill?
In case of an engine failure, it’s way more easier to tug the boat empty than full.
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#407So what's the solution ? Assign a surveillance UAV to every Russian ship parked "without a good reason" over a cable ? It would be expensive, but doable, and create a reserve of vehicles for wartime use.
Why would they use a Russian flagged ship for that?
It's harder to get false identification then people on the internet think.
But also the Russian MO has never been to do things where it's not obvious they did it: the spate of critics of the Russian government dying by falling out of windows isn't because they lack creativity in assassinating people.
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#408Dumb question but my assumption is fiber optic cables could be “tapped”? But the disruption would be noticeable when monitoring the cable. Could you just tap it when you cut it and when it hooked back up that’s the new baseline with the tap in place? That would seem more of a logical reason then a country just randomly cutting lines to me?
Most/all of the traffic would be encrypted.
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#409Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. They already do, because those are old, garbage ships 2. It's not exactly in the interests of NATO to have those ships start spilling tons of oil in the North Atlantic The problem of that "shadow fleet" is precisely that those are old, uninsured vessels that cause environmental risks.
> not exactly in the interests of NATO to have those ships start spilling tons of oil in the North Atlantic Since when did engine troubles cause an oil spill?
Ever blown a head gasket?