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Re: ChatGPT Search

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I have turned bearish on Perplexity recently, this confirms it

Perplexity is a really terrible name for a product and that alone will hold it back from being a real competitor.

Same with 'Claude 3.5 Sonnet'.

At first I thought it was some piano piece like "Mazurkas, Op. 59" by Chopin, or had something to do with some French guy in the AI field.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Makes me question why Google never bothered to create something like search sessions which could be enriched with comments/notes and would be located in a sidebar just like the chats in ChatGPT/Claude/Mistral are. They really had the potential to do something interesting, but were just focused on their ad metrics with the "good enough" search box. What have they been doing all the time?

the FAANG giants have been government assets for ~15+ years [0]. they don't have to turn a profit every quarter, innovate, or make their search any better because they no longer play by the rules a normal business does. they are a critical "too big to fail" component of the state's global surveillance system. [0] https://static1.makeuseofimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/upl...

Linking the slide deck that caused Google to start encrypting the traffic between their own data centers running on their own fiber is perhaps not the most compelling argument that Google is a state asset.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/tech-companies-s...

Re: ChatGPT Search

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This feels like hyperbole to me. People can reasonably expect Wikipedia to have factual data even though it sometimes contains inaccuracies. Likewise if people are using ChatGPT for search it should be somewhat reliable. If I'm asking ChatGPT to put an itinerary together for a trip (OpenAI's suggestion, not mine), my expectation is that places on that itinerary exist. I can forgive them being closed or even out of bu…

>People can reasonably expect Wikipedia to have factual data even though it sometimes contains inaccuracies. It drives me crazy that my kids teachers go on and on about how inaccurate Wikipedia is, and that just anybody can update the articles. They want to teach the kids to go to the library and search books. In a few years time they will be going on and on about how inaccurate ChatGippity is and that they should us…

the only people who think wikipedia is a legitmate source and can be used as reference material are lazy students. chatgippity is even worse on this point..an absolute black box. providing references like search does is a step in the right direction. We will have to see what those references turn out to be.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

> The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetized with ads or propaganda, it's going to be very dangerous. Not to mention that users consuming most content through a middle-man completely breaks most publishers business models. Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Expect to see a lot more technical countermeasures and/or lawsuits ag…

> Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic.

Traditional search is mutually beneficial... to search providers and publishers. At expense of the users. LLM search is becoming popular because it lets users, for however short time this will last, escape the fruits of the "mutually beneficial arrangement".

If anything, that arrangement of publishers and providers became an actual parasite on society at large these days. Publishers, in particular, will keep whining about being cut off; I have zero sympathy - people reach for LLMs precisely because publishers have been publishing trash and poison, entirely intentionally, optimizing for the parasitic business model, and it got so bad that the major use of LLMs is wading through that sea of bullshit, so that we don't have to.

The ad-driven business model of publishing has been a disaster for a society, and deserves to be burned down completely.

(Unfortunately, LLMs will work only for a short while, they're very much vulnerable to capture by advertisers - which means also by those publishers who now theatrically whine.)

Re: ChatGPT Search

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> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

What do you mean with "when it starts"? To my mind it's obvious all LLM are heavily biased to a point it's ridiculous, all the more with the confident tone they are trained to take. I have no doubt Chinese LLM will prise the party as much as American ones will sing the gospel of neoliberal capitalism.

We could have many different LLMs trained to be biased in different ways and have some form of bias checking tester, like ground news - then everyone can get their bias and live in their echo chamber.

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> The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetized with ads or propaganda, it's going to be very dangerous. Not to mention that users consuming most content through a middle-man completely breaks most publishers business models. Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Expect to see a lot more technical countermeasures and/or lawsuits ag…

> Traditional search is a mutually beneficial arrangement, but LLM search is parasitic. Traditional search is mutually beneficial... to search providers and publishers. At expense of the users. LLM search is becoming popular because it lets users, for however short time this will last, escape the fruits of the "mutually beneficial arrangement". If anything, that arrangement of publishers and providers became an actua…

OK, but someone still has to publish the subset of good content that the LLMs slurp up and republish. LLMs still need fresh quality content from somewhere.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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I have turned bearish on Perplexity recently, this confirms it

I have been using Perplexity with the AI engine set to Claude 3.5 Sonnet for a month now, mostly for programming related questions, and it has been amazing. I mostly stopped using google.

I do the same but with Kagi.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Tried "Sailflow Galveston Bay", which for google search returns the Galveston Bay / Kemah wind/weather report for sailing in the area. For GPT Search, returned the Galveston Buoy as the first result, which is WRONG, as it is 10+nm off the coast of Galveston with often VERY different weather than Galveston Bay. The second GPT search result was just the Sailflow home page.

So in this case at least, GPT Search is far inferior and dangerously incorrect were someone to rely on these search results for weather information.

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