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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by fortenforge »

joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

Codeium has extensions for all the major IDEs, including IDEA.

https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/20540-codeium-ai-autoco...

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

ben_w wrote: post #314
valval wrote: post #291

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The idea of AGI is silly. It’s ludicrous. Who’s been counting on it to happen? OpenAI are in the money making business. They don’t care about no AGI. They’re experts who know where the limits are at the moment. We don’t have the tools for AGI any more than we do for time travel.

There's good reasons to expect time travel is physically impossible. Your brain is an existential proof that general intelligence isn't impossible. Figuring out the special sauce that makes a human brain able to learn so much so easily? Sure that's hard, but evolution did it blindly, and we can simulate evolution, so we've definitely got the tools to make AGI, we just don't have the tools to engineer it .

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by j45 »

jdiez17 wrote: post #371
j45 wrote: post #349

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Sounds a little like aider.chat

It is quite similar but I found aider a bit clunky to use in that it creates a new commit with a huge message being the whole conversation and context. Which can be a good thing of course, but for most things I'd rather accumulate changes until a feature is finished, then I commit.

I remember that... but I think it's changed now.

Aider remains to me one of the places where innovation happens and it seems to end up in other places. Their new feature to architect with o1 and then code with sonnet is pretty trippy.

Only can run so many IDEs at a time though.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by epolanski »

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

Being just a service provider makes you easy to replace with other service providers.

Professionals instead don't love to change the tools once they got used to it for small incremental gains.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by epolanski »

bearjaws wrote: post #277
carom wrote: post #247

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Their API is unusable due to rate limits. Myself and my wife have both had ideas, started using it, and found other approaches after hitting rate limits. I tried funding more money in the account to increase the rate limits and it did not work. I imagine they see poor growth there because of this.

It's pretty trivial to get increased limits, I've used the API for a few consulting projects and got to tier 4 in a month. At that point you can burn near $200 a day and 2 million tokens per minute. You only need 45 days to get tier 5 and if you have that many customers after 45 days you should just apply to YC lol. Maybe you checked over a year ago, which was the wild wild West at the time, they didn't even have the…

> and if you have that many customers after 45 days you should just apply to YC lol.

What for? If someone has already a business and customers he's already far off the average YC startup.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by zmgsabst »

curiouscavalier wrote: post #400
Bnjoroge wrote: post #394

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The problem is that tacking on to an existing product, while the ideal approach, limits just how creative you can get. I believe this is one of the reasons Cursor had to fork VSCode. Simply being an extension limited the features they could build.

Solid point. We’re building in a space adjacent to this and it definitely feels hard to balance removing friction for adoption and delivering everything we want.

Okay, but why does what you want matter?

I find a lot of teams are so focused on their vision that they fail to integrate their tool into my workflow. So I don’t use them at all.

That’s fine for art, but I don’t need opinionated tools.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by epolanski »

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular.

I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools.

Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes.

A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely with chatgpt one year ago, he still didn't know how to code, but could figure out how to fix the imperfect code by reasoning, all of it as a non coder, and actually release something that worked for other people.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by screature2 »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #259
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

Jetbrains have their own AI. There is also https://codeium.com/jetbrains_tutorial I have been using the free tier of it for half a year, and quite like it. Supermaven has https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/23893-supermaven also good free tier. (Although they recently got investment to make their own editor.)

Really? Jetbrains has their own AI? Their terms seem to indicate that they use 3rd party models. https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/serv...

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by bastawhiz »

cj wrote: post #4

This is cool, but I wish it were integrated into tools already used for coding and writing rather than having it be a separate app. This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. Honestly I’m scratching my head on OpenAI’s desire to double down on building out their consumer B2C use cases rather than truly focussing on being the infr…

I suspect they are building their B2C products because it gives them better data to train on. It's a lot harder to control the quality of data when you have no idea how API inputs were produced, what the UI is like, or who the users are. You don't know the provenance of the data, or the context. Or even if multiple unrelated client products are being commingled through the same key.

If you control the UI, you have none of those problems.

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