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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Isn’t it a little ironic that NY Times, and most east coast media, is very anti big tech and pro union while their own employees are protesting because of low wages? Who are they to judge how big tech treats their employees when they pay their own so poorly?

They’re also incredibly non-diverse and complain about big tech being non-diverse.

in terms of binary black-white thinking, NYT is definitely more diverse than tech

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Let’s all remember that the vast majority of programmers are not mathematicians, nor logicians, nor authors, we are tradespeople. And you’ll notice that tradespeople in almost every other industry unionize.

programmers are close to doctors than plumbers: high comp, high knowledge industry, constant learning

Doctors have cartel though, instead of union that protects their jobs by limiting number of residency slots that limits number of new licensed doctors

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The person I was responding to said I thought Harris is a communist. Where did he get that from? Nowhere. He invented it out of whole cloth. He also implied that I am a supporter of "far right insane wackos" for asking for a basic confirmation. He formed an entire narrative about me from asking a simple question. A question that nobody sane could really come to the conclusions that he came to. Perhaps it would be bet…

I didn't, and I said nothing of the sort. I said the NYT, and other media outlets, are not "far right insane wackos". Some people then run with that and say they're left-wing. That's not the case. NYT is center-right, maybe center, and absolute worst-case slightly center-left. Our perception is warped, because we compare it to the likes of Fox News. Which is so unbelievably far right, that just about anything looks l…

Funny how you are now actually moving the goal posts. Originally it was "they're right-leaning". Now it is "absolute worst-case slightly center-left". You are admitting they may not be right wing and yet you accused me, who was simply asking for clarification, of moving the goal posts.

There is no point in continuing a conversation when you are just projecting exactly what you are doing on me.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Well here's a challenge for you, we can easily put your viewpoint to the test: Go on the NYT website right now and find me a single article currently on the front page that's negative about leftist policies or politicians, or a single article that's positive about rightist policies or politicians. I bet you can't find any. Repeat this experiment, any minute, any hour, any day, any year, for the last 10 years, and you…

Just a quick look, here's one that plays into the mainstream narrative that Hamas is hiding out in hospitals and schools and therefore it's understandable to bomb them: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/10/world/middleeast/airstrik...

That's just a fact, its not a matter of opinion or leaning.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Presumably, the tech workers at NYT have a better idea of if striking is a good idea, as they’re employed there and have better visibility into motives and margins

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10% margins

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Might want to reread https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and especially this section: In Comments Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "…

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Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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This doesn't seem like a purely economical strike. It's not a coincidence that the most unionized tech workforce in the country is the New York Times, an organization that is fundamentally pro-union in its politics. When the organization as a whole is consistently delivering a pro-union message, doesn't it just make sense that the employees would tend to be ideologically pro-union?

> the New York Times, an organization that is fundamentally pro-union in its politics No, it is definitely not. NYT is neoliberal. Don't confuse the cultural left with the economic/social/fiscal left. NYT is not at all pro-labor. Other people have discussed this extensively in the comments below.

nyt is the most pro labor major print news i can think of

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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“Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most https://www.nytco.com/2023-new-york-times-diversity-and-incl... The my don’t complain about tech being non-diverse, they report that it is non-diverse - which is true.

>> “Incredibly non-diverse”? No. They are in a better position than most Absolutely not. This is typical trickery of stats. They have diversity at lower levels. But unlike SV almost no diversity at senior ranks. I think its past time that we consider janitorial and admin jobs as a win. If we have legions of educated minorities, why aren't they making it into executive roles at the NY Times? Here is the exec staff: ht…

A citizen journalist I follow on YouTube pointed out that for having 5900 employees, they have fewer than 10 who are veterans. It explains why they get so much wrong when reporting on the military.

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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I don't understand - how are programmers different to logicians in a way that's relevant to this?

Very few programmers I know spend their time devising logical theorems. They spend their time plumbing and engineering systems.

But how's that relevant to this?

Re: New York Times tech workers union votes to authorize a strike

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Let’s all remember that the vast majority of programmers are not mathematicians, nor logicians, nor authors, we are tradespeople. And you’ll notice that tradespeople in almost every other industry unionize.

programmers are close to doctors than plumbers: high comp, high knowledge industry, constant learning Doctors have cartel though, instead of union that protects their jobs by limiting number of residency slots that limits number of new licensed doctors

Not even close to comparable. Becoming a doctor takes many more years than becoming a programmer. They have legal ramifications if they make mistakes instead of “teehee oopsie all our data leaked sorry”. The vast majority of programmers have a bachelor’s degree or lower. It is actually laughable to me that you would compare programmers to doctors.

In any case, we should aspire to follow the model of unions and not cartels.

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