I tried downloading this for MacOS Silicon and was told the dmg was damaged :/ Guess I'll wait a little bit for things to iron out.
It's not damaged, read some other comments about the workaround for this.
Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
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Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#402The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…
Tbh, I think this is way more subjective then you're making it out to be. I subjectively would not want to use a WM for most of these points.
> - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.
I feel Edge does this better then any browser or WM. As a user, I don't want to see the browser's window border, or UI duplicated. Edge has a very easy and friendly split view does exactly what I would expect.
> - If you have want to have 100 tabs open, you should be using bookmarks or history instead of tabs.
I'm sorry, but I am not going to add every article I may want to read later as a bookmark or add to my history. If I added it as a bookmark and read it, I'll have to remove it as a bookmark next. That's already more steps then just opening it in a background tab by middle clicking my mouse and closing the tab after reading it. My bookmarks are for items that I want to keep, not one time uses.
> - If you want to have different workspaces, profiles, or so on, use your window manager's workspaces. You can even name workspaces according to projects or tasks, and assign windows to them automatically.
Nope. I have different profiles for my browser to seperate accounts, cookies, history, settings, etc... I don't think a WM could do this like using a browser could. In Edge I can just open the browser in my work profile and my Google work account is logged in with my Slack as a pinned tab versus using my personal profile and having my personal Google account logged in with YT Music as a pinned tab. This is a critical feature to me.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#403The problems these browsers are trying to solve aren't web browser problems, they're window manager problems. Your web browser shouldn't try to be a window manager. - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically.…
Tbh, I think this is way more subjective then you're making it out to be. I subjectively would not want to use a WM for most of these points. > - If you want to have two web pages side-by-side, you don't need a web browser that can handle split panes. Just have each web page in its own window and use your window manager to put them side-by-side. Tiling window managers will do this automatically. I feel Edge does this…
Yup, that 100 tab comment had me instantly clocking them as an i3 (or similar) user. There's just something about those types of window managers that has them convinced it's some kind of panacea for every problem. We already have tabs and we already have bookmarks: if bookmarks were an easier way to queue things up to look at later than tabs, most people would already be doing that, and yet tabs prevail. There must therefore be something about tabs that people find more useful and or more convenient than bookmarks.
The "just use bookmarks, bro" mindset comes from their foregone conclusion that windows are good, tabs are bad, therefore anything that favours tabs is also bad and should be done differently if you insist on doing it at all. Just let people have tabs.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#404ah a cute but soon-to-be-dead project, since they apparently are intentionally breaking the macos experience. either support your users or remove support for your users - shipping them an intentionally broken experience is a bad move.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#405Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tab groups again? I don’t remember when exactly, but like 10 years ago Firefox already had this feature. I was using them happily, organising all my numerous tabs to a dozen of groups by theme (work, social, movies, etc). But then Mozilla decided: “Nobody is using tab groups, screw it!” and removed them. All groups and tabs were lost. Now history will repeat?
I remember, I was around back then. :) Panorama was in some ways ahead of its time. The UI was nice visually but also somewhat heavy handed / not very beginner friendly to say the least, which contributed to it being used only by a relatively small share of our user base. We're cautious about not repeating history. We're implementing tab groups from scratch and directly in the tab bar. Our Firefox View feature (Tools…
> We're cautious about not repeating history. We're implementing tab groups from scratch and directly in the tab bar. Our Firefox View feature (Tools > Firefox View) may later get a more visual surface for managing groups.
Hi! Thanks for letting us know about Firefox Team is being very careful this time, I want to share my idea too because I think the Firefox community have probably tinkered enough to figure out that Tree Styled Tab Group like Sidebery/Tree Style Tab is the best Tab Group implementation, because they're so easy to use, just drag and drop and work great in practice.
I hope you consider making Tree Styled Tab Group an option for vertical tab.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#406Does Zen have (or plan to build) Auto Archive feature like Arc ?
https://resources.arc.net/hc/en-us/articles/19228855311127-A...
I couldn't find any Firefox extension that does this (Or maybe I didn't look hard enough)
This is the one feature that brought me to Arc
(I've since stopped using Arc, and moved to Vivaldi. My "main" browser is still Firefox)
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#407I have a few questions I would be very interested to hear the answers
1 When is the earliest we can try tab grouping in Firefox Nightly? 2 Will the following things be available, the ability to group by dragging and dropping a tab, the ability to name and change the name, assign a color, and pin and hide a tab group, and the option to sleep tabs in groups? 3 Is the Workspaces feature being considered, it is quite popular and has been implemented in Floorp and Zen? 4 Is tab grouping also considered for the Android version of Firefox? 5 Are there any plans for a Portable version with a built-in dark theme for websites? Thank you very much! We are very sad that many features have been removed, tab grouping, pwa, rss, compact mode, menu icons, etc., hopefully this will all be coming to Firefox and such mistakes will not be made again.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#408All of those are features I love in Vivaldi. If it matures it will be a very welcome open source replacement.
I've been looking for a Vivaldi replacement as well, due to the looming manifest v3 stuff. Hopefully this, or another project like it, works out.
Try Firefox with the Sideberry extension.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#409Was really looking forward to trying this browser out. But the windows installer fails VirusTotal scan by 4 separate scanners.
Its usually a false positive, but its not the environment to giving the benefit of the doubt for.
This happens more and more often for me, and I'm surprised software development skips the stage of addressing this prior to app launch and promotion.
Re: Zen, a Arc-like open-source browser based on the Firefox engine
#410Good software.
One more smart thing to do would be to open different workspace by middle click on the workspace name or giving options to open from the list.