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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by toomuchtodo »

codr7 wrote: post #398
toomuchtodo wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, this is a pipeline problem. If you get to the root of the problem by avoiding unwanted children, the effort to paper over the suffering in the future is never needed. Society ain't changing on any meaningful timeline (based on all available evidence), "the purpose of the system is what it does," so attack the root cause in earnest. It is a choice to not actively solve for the suffering, so find an in…

A society that doesn't support having children won't lead anywhere worth going. I'm pretty sure that given the support they needed, and a society that didn't program them all the way to want other things in life more; the numbers would look very different. And that IS the long term problem. Which is not at all an excuse for not solving other problems, I don't feel it has to be one or the other. Society very much has,…

Indeed, society can fix the system if it so chooses. Otherwise, it must make peace with rational actors making rational decisions in an irrational and dysfunctional system. In my small acts, I am gifting agency and freedom. Society is free to make a better offer (I wish it would), but we know it won't.

Prof Scott Galloway asks, "Do we love our children? [1]" I can prove that we don't, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It is clear as day.

[1] https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destr...

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by swagasaurus-rex »

ashf023 wrote: post #392
unpopularopp wrote: post #344

I see this as the victory sign of feminism. Women doesn't need men anymore so men are left on their own. Nothing wrong with that.

But the article talks about how the men are basically doing whatever they want and women are left as single mothers with multiple kids...

Financial independence for the feminist movement was always about divesting from a husband, not relying on a husband.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by codr7 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #401
codr7 wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A society that doesn't support having children won't lead anywhere worth going. I'm pretty sure that given the support they needed, and a society that didn't program them all the way to want other things in life more; the numbers would look very different. And that IS the long term problem. Which is not at all an excuse for not solving other problems, I don't feel it has to be one or the other. Society very much has,…

Indeed, society can fix the system if it so chooses. Otherwise, it must make peace with rational actors making rational decisions in an irrational and dysfunctional system. In my small acts, I am gifting agency and freedom. Society is free to make a better offer (I wish it would), but we know it won't. Prof Scott Galloway asks, "Do we love our children? [1]" I can prove that we don't, beyond a shadow of a doubt. It i…

Then it will be replaced by something more suitable, like many times before.

Once you drift too far away from basic human needs and the truth, something will happen, and we're more or less there if you ask me.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by codr7 »

squigz wrote: post #380
codr7 wrote: post #376

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The problem is two wrongs is worse than one; you're never going to solve discrimination against one group by discriminating against another, for example.

What discrimination of which groups are we talking about?

I believe the discussion was about men and women.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

CleanRoomClub wrote: post #290
mock-possum wrote: post #259

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Why not adopt? There are plenty of kids already who need a parent or two.

Why question a human’s innate desire to raise their own off-spring like we’ve evolved to do for millions of years? So often people chime in with the “just adopt” and while I agree in a perfect world, that’s exactly what would happen, but in reality it goes against a very fundamental part or human nature to opt to raise someone else’s child instead of your own. It just completely misses the human element of why people…

Plenty of people raise other people’s kids without ever knowing. They didn’t love them less.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by squigz »

codr7 wrote: post #404
squigz wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What discrimination of which groups are we talking about?

I believe the discussion was about men and women.

I guess I'm still unclear about the first part of my question then.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by klyrs »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #390
pwthornton wrote: post #379

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Yes. I had pain for a while. Mine was not a quick recovery, and I now sleep with a body pillow between my knees (although my back and hips like this). I do a lot of cycling, so I am sure that is part of the issue. Overall, I would recommend it. My wife and I didn't want to risk having more kids.

That sounds like a huge negative to me. How much will it worsen with age? Really for males there is condom (big downside in feeling) or surgery with chronic pain as option. Great options.

Chronic pain (pvps) has a 1-2% incidence rate, and can be treated in many cases.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/

Options for women include childbearing, which bears risk of severe medical complications and death; hormonal birth control, which is mood-altering, causes weight gain, unsatisfactory sex; IUDs with risk of chronic pain; and condoms which always seem to magically slip off.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

klyrs wrote: post #407
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a huge negative to me. How much will it worsen with age? Really for males there is condom (big downside in feeling) or surgery with chronic pain as option. Great options.

Chronic pain (pvps) has a 1-2% incidence rate, and can be treated in many cases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5503923/ Options for women include childbearing, which bears risk of severe medical complications and death; hormonal birth control, which is mood-altering, causes weight gain, unsatisfactory sex; IUDs with risk of chronic pain; and condoms which always seem to magically slip off.

1-2% of having permanent pain between my legs sounds like an ENORMOUS amount

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by codr7 »

squigz wrote: post #406
codr7 wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the discussion was about men and women.

I guess I'm still unclear about the first part of my question then.

What discrimination of men and women?

I think we have to backtrack a bit here, what planet?

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by notaustinpowers »

portpecos wrote: post #381

> “Chanel, a white thirty-three-year-old with three children, ages fifteen, nine, and three, broke up with her youngest child’s father just after we met her for the first time. When we ask about him later, she says dismissively, ‘He’s not around no more. I got rid of him…He was only here to sleep—didn’t want to pay no bills, didn’t want to do nothing. When he was here all he did was fight and argue and drink. I had t…

Absolutely nothing you said about her is based on any facts or analysis in that article. Don't fall into incel behavior here with projections and unfounded assumptions spouting them off as fact. Do better.
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