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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by recursivecaveat »

majewsky wrote: post #110
bilekas wrote: post #22

This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

> It seems super late in the game but okay. Why does the US in specific have such drawn-out campaigns? Earlier this week, I saw a pundit commenting that 4 months before the election is too short notice to pick a new candidate. But there's countries in Europe that announce elections, pick candidates, do the campaigns, go to the pools, do the counts, and have the electees take office, all in less than 4 months (see e.g…

The way primaries are explicitly drawn out across every state is a big factor. The earlier a given state runs its primary, the more influence that state has by setting the momentum.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mensetmanusman »

throw0101d wrote: post #321
readthenotes1 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

> The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. "When Biden stumbles over words, we question his state of mind; when Trump acts like a deranged street preacher, it’s … well, Tuesday. If Biden had suggested setting up migrants in a fight club,[1] he’d be out of the race already; Trump does it, and the country (as well as many in the media) shrugs. " * Tom Nichols, https://archive.ph/X…

Trump hasn’t changed, Biden is getting worse and worse. People have experience with dementia in their families.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mrkeen »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #139
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

> I presume that his attitudes and staff selection carried the day, and maybe could have done so for another term. But his mental capacity was clearly declining, and he is in fact expected to handle some things personally. Biden's presidency makes me wonder if we really need a head of state these days. Is it really necessary to have such a single powerful figure in the executive branch? The biggest exception (IMO) wo…

> Is it really necessary to have such a single powerful figure in the executive branch?

As an ignorant outsider, my impression is that the president is only supposed to 'preside' over things. Delegate and appoint people. Sign bills as a ceremony.

The real decision-making should be happening by the people's representatives in congress, while the Supreme court can guard against decisions which would violate the constitution.

But then parties form, partisanship happens, and congress stops making meaningful changes. Blocking anything that the dems put forward apparently gets votes for senators. You don't even need filibusters to prevent votes; just the suggestion of one.

So without a working congress, the President and the courts end up picking up the slack, and wield more power than they should.

I naively wish that there was some way for congress to actually be a congress, and for each member to vote his/her conscience on every single matter.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by jeffbee »

ethagnawl wrote: post #376
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

> Has it ever been done? McCain/Lieberman almost happened in 2008.

Arguably it was Gore/Lieberman that was the cross-party ticket, since Lieberman was just a Republican in a trench coat.

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Post by lann »

temporarely wrote: post #389
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

I have a "radical" idea: why not actually let the constituency of this party make the choice.

Or actually radical: switch from our terrible first-past-the-post voting system to - say - ranked choice (or one of many alternatives; they're almost all better than fptp) and then primaries won't be so important and parties won't have so much power over our kinda-democratic-but-actually-oligarchic political system.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by treis »

raziel2701 wrote: post #192
mock-possum wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an anti-trump voter (aka a circumstantial democrat) - that’s what I’m worried about too. It feels like we’ve left it til too late without the democrats putting up anyone that people are excited about - while we know how the other side feels about trump.

My question, and I know no one knows the answer, is are we afraid of a ghost? The ghost being a person who was all in on Biden, that now goes: "fuck that, I'm not voting for Harris" Are there large numbers of people like this? Nobody knows, but the media certainly does a good job of pushing that narrative. Informing you is not their job, getting you scared and angered is. I'm gonna vote for the non-fascist one. I wis…

The election isn't decided by large numbers of voters. It's decided at the margins largely based on the 1-2% making a decision to go vote or not.

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Post by PopAlongKid »

mattnewton wrote: post #242
tim333 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I liked James Carville's idea of picking maybe eight contenders and having town hall type events to choose the most popular. Game show element to take publicity from Trump and also kind of democratic rather than anointing a connected insider, which of course Trump would then go on about endlessly.

1) contested convention after the incumbent steps down 2) republican candidate considered a crook 3) it's in Chicago Whatever they do, don't do what the DNC did in 1968 again, lets try to at least make new mistakes this time I guess?

What mistakes did the DNC make in 1968?

Chicago Mayor Daley and his police force made the mistakes with the protestors, much of the media coverage of the police riots falsely made it look like it was happening right outside the convention site.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mattnewton »

tonymet wrote: post #385

Be skeptical. Why are announcements being delivered from the social media staff via twitter ? Where is the President ?

Still sick with Covid. I expect him to address the nation early next week, like he promised in his letter.

It is unfortunate that this is on social media, mostly twitter though. I understand this is probably too close to campaigning for Biden to feel comfortable with posting it on whitehouse.gov, but I feel like the president should have a pulpit where someone contributing millions to the opposing party can't plaster their view right underneath it. Another problem with the centralized web - reading the president's letter with the promoted posts and ads on x right under feels tacky as hell here.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by RoyalHenOil »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #392
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

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Romney is literally a member of the Republican party and not a member of the Democrat party. What are you even talking about?
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