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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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There’s a very sizable number of low paying, dirty, dangerous, and/or boring jobs that we can’t find enough locals to do. Think farm hands, home care aides, meat processors, etc. Unskilled immigrants do those jobs because that’s what is available to them (I.e unskilled). If they weren’t doing those jobs, we’d have to pay significantly more for the goods and services that labor depends on. Immigrant labor is disinflat…

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Your argument seems to be that a larger population leads to lower wages, which seems very reductive. Please elaborate

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success And I find it so tragic. It means that the best elements of a given country are being sucked out of it. How can this country ever get better if the best elements just leave it ? Immigration exists because some parts of the world just suck, with corrupt governments, wars, you name it. I don't see how anyone can be ha…

Frankly, my home country doesn't deserve my brain, nor the brain of anyone else willing and able to leave it. It's a nice sentiment, but you also can't ignore that, if people like myself are willing to go through the oftentimes extremely stressful task of emigrating with all the things that entails, there's probably a reason for it. It's not like you can just pick up and leave, after all

It's all fun and games until your host country grows a secret police willing to threaten what family remains behind to keep you from leaving.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Because it’s functionally impossible to deport all “illegals” without massively disrupting legal immigrant communities? How exactly do you propose the illegal immigrant gestapo determine someone is here legally? Race? Accent? Stop every brown person on the street and ask for papers…? What don’t republicans understand by this

Or you could just... require proof of citizenship/legal residence for housing, jobs, etc.? No need for Gestapo checking papers.

Some industries, like agriculture or restaurants, rely so heavily on cheap immigrant labor that enforcing this would cause an economic crash and food prices would soar. Other industries will ask prospective employees their SSN, which illegal immigrants don't have. So, which part do you wish to change?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Australia has a large number of ethnic groups, media and the far right claims similar issues. Using statistics on the background of prisoners, in Australia, most non-white ethnic groups have lower representation in prison compared to their percentage of the population when compared to white Australians. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

I wanted to verify the claim from your post/wikipedia link, as I don't believe it's true, but it's kind of a shame that wikipedia accepts a link to a 238 page report as the citation for a claim. It should at least refer to a specific page or section in the report. I don't want to hunt through hundreds of pages of this report to verify the claim. The report also doesn't have any sort of "conclusions" section so there's no quick way to even verify that the report is saying what they claim it's saying, let alone find the data behind the claim.

However, I did a quick search for every sentence containing the word Australia, and found nothing that seemed to back up the claim.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

All fair points, however if we take everything you said at face value (which I mostly do, with some caveats) it does give give one pause to consider what a constant stream of new migrants means. It all sounds well and good to say that the problem is self correcting after a few generations, but if you are constantly "importing" new (1st generation) migrants, this lag-time becomes a serious issue quickly.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I really want people to understand that a sterile term like "economic sanctions" really means "starving them to death". It's not just food. It's the infrastructure necessary to grow food and to have clean drinking water. It's basic medicines, life-saving stuff. What we, as a country, have done and continue to do to Cuba is absolutely unconscionable. It affects us too. Over the last 60+ years there have hundreds of th…

> Importing fascist or fascist adjacent people who ultimately became voters has changed US politics where Florida is now a safely red state. And on the flip side, importing Central and South Americans who are socialist or socialist adjacent and ultimately become voters has changed US politics where California and other states are now safely blue. > I find it interesting how this aspect of immigration is so often miss…

> And on the flip side, importing Central and South Americans

Which countries are those, exactly? I"ll refer you to:

- "South American Immigrants in the United States" [1];

- "Hispanics and Latinos in California" [2].

Now California's single largest ethnicity is Hispanic. Nearly all are of Mexican descent. They're underrepresented in voting though where the typical California voter is still older and white [3].

We have Venezuelan refugees now. Their government is ostensibly socialist. So Venezuelan refugees have similar leanings to Cuban immigrants.

Colombians are a large group there. One exit poll suggested roughly half voted for Trump in 2020 [4].

The point is that the Latino and Hispanic vote is complicated and certainly not monolithic.

[1]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/south-american-immig...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanics_and_Latinos_in_Calif...

[3]: https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2023/08/calif...

[4]: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/populist-leftist-colombi...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Because it’s functionally impossible to deport all “illegals” without massively disrupting legal immigrant communities? How exactly do you propose the illegal immigrant gestapo determine someone is here legally? Race? Accent? Stop every brown person on the street and ask for papers…? What don’t republicans understand by this

I think you could get 90% of the way to “all” with information that’s already in federal databases. People have jobs. Look at the fake / duplicate SSNs. So, John Smith with SSN 999-99-9999 is a White Male born in 1943, but the family at his residence is Asian and in their 30s? Absolutely no need to harass random people.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Frankly, my home country doesn't deserve my brain, nor the brain of anyone else willing and able to leave it. It's a nice sentiment, but you also can't ignore that, if people like myself are willing to go through the oftentimes extremely stressful task of emigrating with all the things that entails, there's probably a reason for it. It's not like you can just pick up and leave, after all

It's all fun and games until your host country grows a secret police willing to threaten what family remains behind to keep you from leaving.

None of my family has been back in decades, we've long since abandoned it.

Also, that situation is a lot more likely to occur in the mother country than most people's host countries, if it doesn't happen already. There's a reason it was the East germans fleeing, and not the other way around.

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