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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by jb1991 »

jajko wrote: post #384
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. No. Please stop being speaker for most of the whole world. There are people, including me or my wife who is not technical at all, who will never use anything similar from Apple. Or any similar SSO/access/security platform. Google and FB tried that decade+ ago, only fools fell for that regretful trap if the service has actually any long term added value.

It's ironic that you suggest they should not speak for the whole world, and then use your own personal opinion as a stand-in for what you think should be the whole world's opinion.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ivan_gammel »

zchrykng wrote: post #231
ivan_gammel wrote: post #217

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1Password, for example, has a plugin for Firefox. Something that you would expect in MVP for any password manager.

With Firefox at 2.93% [1] percent market share, doesn't seem like many people would put it in the MVP. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

What is the market share among people who buy and use password managers?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ivan_gammel »

dylan604 wrote: post #225
ivan_gammel wrote: post #215

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I just checked it on my device in airplane mode: everything is available locally and new records can be added. What do you mean saying you cannot store the data locally?

with v8, there are no more local vaults stored on my machine with other devices syncing via WLAN. it's all cloud accounts or bust

Understand. Both your user needs and their approach to the product are reasonable in this regard. It looks like you are simply no longer their target audience and need different product.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by commandersaki »

sam_goody wrote: post #255

Maybe I don't want "whoever" to be able to get into every one of my accounts by coercing Apple to give access to all my passwords. There are groups that can do that coercion (eg. US and CPC governments), and there may be support staff et all in Apple that can get the same access. For the same reason, I was unhappy that Keychain.app is auto synced to iCloud (and as per a past thread, even if you disabled it it may be…

iCloud Keychain and Passwords are end to end encrypted; how will coercion help?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by shiroiushi »

appplication wrote: post #339
ascagnel_ wrote: post #330

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What this forum needs is for its members to volunteer their time at their local library doing tech support. It’d be a rude awakening for a lot of folks.

I can’t begin to count how many hours I’ve spent trying to help my mom untangle passwords for all of her accounts. I can’t help but laugh at the indignance over an approach that isn’t fully decentralized/anonymized/self-hostable/brushes-your-teeth-and-makes-you-toast/whatever. I don’t need idealism. I need my mom to be able to figure out how to log into her bank without having to call me every time. The more that’s t…

My mother actually writes them all down in a booklet. It's very old-fashioned, but it does work for her.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

basisword wrote: post #218
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Luckily, _most_ people don't buy overpriced and closed Apple devices.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by drcongo »

anonexpat wrote: post #183
drcongo wrote: post #142

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I'm only still on it because of team use, but if Apple's thing supports teams I'm gonna be so happy to get rid of it. I've been using it for nearly 20 years and it's been going down hill fast for the last 5, but 1Password 8 is an absolute clown car. It hijacks your passkey logins meaning that authenticating with Tailscale for me has gone from a single touch of the TouchID button on my Mac, to 1) click button that say…

Evernote.

Not a bad shout, but no matter how awful it got, I'd argue there never was a good version of Evernote.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by shiroiushi »

cletus wrote: post #271
thisarticle wrote: post #172

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They’re releasing an app for Windows that will solve that piece at least. It’ll sync across both.

In the same way I don't trust Google not to cancel whatever it is they just announced, I don't trust apple to keep supporting software on platforms that aren't theirs. They just don't have a good track record and no real incentives. The last widespread Apple sosftware on non-Apple platforms was probably iTunes, which was terrible.

I do trust Google not to cancel one of their core (or most popular) products, like search, Maps, Docs, Android, etc. Anything else I don't. I do use Google Photos, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see them shut it down one day.

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Post by madeofpalk »

pityJuke wrote: post #394
efitz wrote: post #388

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The other big problem is that in the case that you get on Apple’s bad side for whatever reason, you now lose your passwords to everything.

Terrifies me. I can't really piss 1Password off, so that'll never be a worry. My iCloud Email can at least be re-directed to Fastmail as I own the domain (other than Hide My Email, which is a shame).

You can't piss 1Password off, until you do. There's nothing inherit about Agile Bits that shields them from arbitary account closure.

You can't piss Apple off, until you do.

I personally haven't heard of people's account getting randomly shut down for whatever reason for either company, but I'm sure it happens.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by majke »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #406
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Luckily, _most_ people don't buy overpriced and closed Apple devices.

> In the US, iPhone has a 58.81% market share

There are demographics where Apple has dominance.

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