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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by immibis »

EGreg wrote: post #67
herf wrote: post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Browsing history doesn't contain what's displayed on the page, and what you input into the input boxes, or POST requests. It's sorta like telephone metadata. On the other hand, I am always freaked out by Chrome extensions that "can read and change your data on all websites ". Can't they have more granular permissions? You gotta have a lot of trust for those extensions LMAO. They can read your bank passwords, probably…

Yes, they can change it, that's what Manifest V2 deprecation is about. It will break a lot of ad blockers, because they rely on being able to read anything and change anything on all websites. Many people feel that Google is doing it to make more people watch more ads, not to improve security.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by sqeaky »

wvenable wrote: post #363
haswell wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your auth cookie expires. The username/password you type in next time it expires is far more valuable. And it might not even be necessary to obtain cookies or credentials if I can just see whatever you could see when you’re logged into various sites.

This is all moot anyway because Microsoft has already said they are now going to encrypt everything behind Windows Hello making it as secure as my password manager.

Why would someone trust microsoft on security?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by sqeaky »

strictnein wrote: post #29
nerdjon wrote: post #6

Will have to wait and see if the extra security measures actually improve anything or not. However regarding it being opt out… what would prevent a virus from just enabling it on a bunch of machines silently. Sure it would be caught but the damage done and most won’t be bothered to go in and disable it after. Or Microsoft just decides they need to really market the hell out of AI and it gets turned on my default anyw…

> what would prevent a virus from just enabling it If that occurs, the malware won't have access to months or years of data to sift through.

Yet.

Malware that scrapes it and malware that turn it don't need to be the same.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

herf wrote: post #58

It's interesting to compare this to the Chrome/Safari/Edge browsing history, which is stored in an unencrypted SQLite database, and tracks what you do for the last 90 days. It's just a bit less visual, Incognito/Private modes work, and some users clear it more often. But a whole lot of the surveillance attacks people imagine about Recall apply just the same to the browser. I think it's the "little brother" casual att…

Continuing with the comparsion, Recall applies to the entire operating system not just one application. To avoid it, one has to avoid Windows.

Whereas to avoid browsing history, one only has to avoid the popular, graphical, advertising corporation browser. As I am not interesting in graphics, I do this everyday, with ease, because there are countless clients besides "Chrome/Safari/Edge" that work with the www for consuming information.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by passport98 »

whutsurnaym wrote: post #307
atribecalledqst wrote: post #260

Maybe a bit off-topic, but I sure wish they'd do this for OneDrive! I installed Windows for personal use for the first time recently (although I use it exclusively at work) and it drove me ABSOLUTELY BONKERS that my home drive was mapping to C:\Users\atribecalledqst\OneDrive. What I hated the most was that the File Explorer just calls the folders in there e.g. "Documents" and "Pictures" without showing the full path.…

I recently tried to fully rid myself of OneDrive and it took me over 48 hours to accomplish. The only working method I found involved fully enabling OneDrive, signing in, and waiting for a full sync. Only then was I able to tell it to stop syncing and finally remap Documents, Downloads, Pictures, etc. The fact that I needed to log in, wait 24 hours for my account to unlock due to inactivity (!!!), and enable sync in…

They are the house of dark patterns.

After a certain point anyone paying attention can see it's not accidental. Oops sorry! No. Their goal is your technological enslavement. Mis-features like that don't accidentally just always end up being evil and oops sorry when there is a real backlash. They wanted to see if they could get away with it, like they do.

I abandoned MS products in 1998 for good. Win98se pushed me over the edge.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by callalex »

chuckadams wrote: post #238
rvense wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For tech savvy people, it's a bewildering feature. Why would I want some weird unpredictable AI thing when I've already got filesystem search, browser bookmarks, the neatly categorized PDF collection, and my Zettelkästen/2GB Org.mode doc/Joplin notes? But for non-technical people, of course, computers are already unpredictable. They routinely (appear to) misplace files and overwrite them with previous versions, and i…

I’m plenty savvy and I’d like that AI thing. I’d just like it to be more discerning about what it records, and managed in a way that’s not a pinkie-swear promise to protect my privacy. MS has a track record both long and recent that shows they’re not the appropriate stewards of this data. I don’t even see MS as mustache-twirling villains in general, just incompetent at an organizational level to stand up to whatever…

I know it’s generally unhelpful to discuss voting on this site, but I must point out the irony that this particular comment chain started with “I haven’t heard anybody saying they want this” and then the one comment saying “I want this” was rejected so hard it was threatening to disappear if I didn’t save it.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by mysore »

i feel like an open source version of this would be really cool.

theres a lot of people who have a lot of data they wont want to put into this and run other people's closed source code and you dont really know what its doing.

is there an open source linux friendly equivalent?

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by callalex »

twobitshifter wrote: post #389
SavageBeast wrote: post #126

In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…

Imagine you could use Recall to train a model to do all the interactions that knowledge workers do on their computers using the exact same software, do you think there would be value in that?

I can also imagine that Recall could grow and cook my food for me, but it can’t do that either so I don’t really understand your point.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by callalex »

rchaud wrote: post #137
SavageBeast wrote: post #126

In all the MS Recall drama, I've yet to hear or read one single person utter something to the effect of "Wow - great!!! - I've been waiting for something like this for years! This will solve at least one of the major issues I face regularly!". In fact, it seems to me the only people that really want this feature are the ones trying to push it down everyones collective throat. Why is MS pushing something so hard when…

I've heard Microsoft wants to do away with on-device Windows entirely for consumer devices, and go with a "dumb client" form factor that is always connected to a remote Windows server. I'm not sure who at the org is pushing for this as it would essentially hand the PC games market to SteamOS. I suppose they saw how well it's worked for enterprise customers that essentially already use a Windows VM through Citrix or s…

Rent-seeking is not new human behavior, it’s just been enough generations that the lesson must be collectively learned again.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by wvenable »

sqeaky wrote: post #402
wvenable wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all moot anyway because Microsoft has already said they are now going to encrypt everything behind Windows Hello making it as secure as my password manager.

Why would someone trust microsoft on security?

HN is a weird place. 95% of the world runs on Microsoft technology to some degree. (95% also runs on Linux to some degree as well)
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