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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I have a feeling Apple will make a play for him. Apple is considered to be seriously lagging behind in ML. Just his name alone is probably enough for the time being - They can give him his own lab to do whatever he wants. Ilya will attract enough talent, at least some of whom will be willing to take up responsibility over commercial stuff in the coming years.

I have a feeling he would like to publish some stuff, and apple doesnt do that

Times have changed.

https://machinelearning.apple.com/research

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Big Tech wasn't what I expected, it seems there's almost a forced perspective that individuals don't make a difference (they do)

One of the inputs into any business is labor, if labor is replaceable then business can function much more cost efficiently, since market forces on a replaceable commodity will reduce its cost. So, big tech acts as though labor is replaceable, because it’s in its economic interest to have that be true, hence the desire for standardization, procedure and systematization of labor, if an individuals output is not unique…

Sure business can fire the drones, but institutional know how goes away with the top talent.

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Elon poached Ilya into OpenAI so I'm sure he will be happy to have him around. If we truly live in the "most entertainig outcome" timeline, this is definitely what's going to happen.

Musk involvement was with the money. I really doubt he researched enough to know who Ilya was at the time.

Didn't need all that research. Musk was friends with Larry Page, as Google was leading AI research they were bound to have conversations about the smartest researchers in the team.

Also, you underestimate Elon Musk if you think he's not capable of researching specialists in the fields he is interested in, I believe many people are hellbent on attributing all his successes to dumb luck rather than any sort of competence.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I wonder if he thinks LLMs are an AGI dead end and he's not interested in selling a product. There's some academic papers floating around coming to the same conclusion (no links. sorry, studying for a cert exam).

Isn't it consensus that AGI will never arise from LLMs?

There is no such consensus.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I wonder if he thinks LLMs are an AGI dead end and he's not interested in selling a product. There's some academic papers floating around coming to the same conclusion (no links. sorry, studying for a cert exam).

Isn't it consensus that AGI will never arise from LLMs?

No... A good number of folks will even go so far as to say that "all we do" is token prediction too. It's worth noting -- OpenAI founder Elon Musk claims in a lawsuit that the company has achieved AGI. Make of that what you will, but certainly there are many people on this site who believe in the general potential of LLMs.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Yeah Canada just spends a ton of taxpayer money to create great institutions like U of T and Waterloo, so that their graduates can all go to Silicon Valley and make 2-3x the money.

Maybe the majority of Canadians think that having great higher education institutions and thr people who work in them is a good fit for their way of life, but having Silicon Valley companies and people making SV salaries around epuld make their lives worse? If so, this is great: Canadians don't want to live with the tech crowd, so they provide them with the skills so they can move elsewhere, make their dreams come tu…

That makes zero sense, governments invest in education to improve their own country, not to train other countries work forces. If you read anything about Canada ever you will also know they have a bunch of policies to try and stop the brain drain and to recruit tech workers from abroad.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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What next? Meta?

Ilya cares about AI Safety and AGI. Meta's whole positioning is to dismiss it. No way he goes there.

Perhaps that's exactly why he might go there: to change it for a reason (a new company path long term, or just upcoming potential regulations etc.)

I don't believe it either, but in case it happened, it might make some sense that way.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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The amount of paperwork involved makes it unworkable

10B$ says you're wrong.

10B is going to old mates mates.

No new startups are getting it.

It's also like pulling teeth trying to explain to people that if we don't offer compensation commensurate with what they get in the US people will just leave for the US.

There is some form of brain damage where even people who know how to code assume that because you can get a crud developer for $80k a year you should get an AI researcher for $150,000. It's nearly double after all.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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And none of them build AI companies in Toronto. I’m Canadian and disappointed at how ineffective we are at building successful companies.

Yeah Canada just spends a ton of taxpayer money to create great institutions like U of T and Waterloo, so that their graduates can all go to Silicon Valley and make 2-3x the money.

> 2-3x the money.

That's if you're stuck in tech support. When you start doing actual ground breaking work it starts at x10 and goes up significantly.

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