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Re: Veo

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Post by Kiro »

arcticbull wrote: post #362
pmlarocque wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That not true, they look grey when they aren't bright enough, but they can look green or red to the naked eyes if they are bright. I have seen it myself and yes I was disappointed to see only grey ones last week. see: https://theconversation.com/what-causes-the-different-colour...

> [Aurora] only appear to us in shades of gray because the light is too faint to be sensed by our color-detecting cone cells." > Thus, the human eye primarily views the Northern Lights in faint colors and shades of gray and white. DSLR camera sensors don't have that limitation. Couple that fact with the long exposure times and high ISO settings of modern cameras and it becomes clear that the camera sensor has a much…

That is totally incorrect which anyone who have seen real northern lights can attest to. I'm sorry that you haven't gotten the chance to experience it and now think all northern lights are that lackluster.

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

ImageFX fails at both of my tests:

1. Generating an image of "a group of catgirls activating a summoning circle". Anything related to catgirls tends to get tagged as sexual or NSFW so it's censored. Unsurprising.

2. The lamb described in Book of Revelation. Asking for it directly or pasting in the passage where the lamb is described both fail to generate any images. Normally this fails because there's not much art of the lamb from Book of Revelation from which the model can steal. If I gave the worst of artists a description of this, they'd be able to come up with something even if it's not great.

Overall, a very disappointing release. It's surprising that despite having effectively infinite money this is the best that Google is able to ship at the moment.

Re: Veo

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Post by bugbuddy »

xNeil wrote: post #387
mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

>Google and Apple have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. I'm assuming you mean reputation as in general opinion among developers? Because Google's probably been the most innovative company of the 21st century so far.

Yes, I miss Stadia so much. It was the most innovative streaming platform I had ever used. I wished I could still use it. Please, Google, bring Stadia back.

Re: Veo

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Post by SomaticPirate »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #402

ImageFX fails at both of my tests: 1. Generating an image of "a group of catgirls activating a summoning circle". Anything related to catgirls tends to get tagged as sexual or NSFW so it's censored. Unsurprising. 2. The lamb described in Book of Revelation. Asking for it directly or pasting in the passage where the lamb is described both fail to generate any images. Normally this fails because there's not much art of…

I think this comment is peak Hackernews… dripping with sarcasm and minimizing a significant engineering accomplishment

Re: Veo

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Post by kortilla »

arcticbull wrote: post #362
pmlarocque wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That not true, they look grey when they aren't bright enough, but they can look green or red to the naked eyes if they are bright. I have seen it myself and yes I was disappointed to see only grey ones last week. see: https://theconversation.com/what-causes-the-different-colour...

> [Aurora] only appear to us in shades of gray because the light is too faint to be sensed by our color-detecting cone cells." > Thus, the human eye primarily views the Northern Lights in faint colors and shades of gray and white. DSLR camera sensors don't have that limitation. Couple that fact with the long exposure times and high ISO settings of modern cameras and it becomes clear that the camera sensor has a much…

This is such an arrogant pile of bullshit. I’ve seen very obvious colors on many different occasions in the northern part of the lower 48, up in southern Canada, and in Alaska.

Re: Veo

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Post by Maxion »

arcticbull wrote: post #362
pmlarocque wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That not true, they look grey when they aren't bright enough, but they can look green or red to the naked eyes if they are bright. I have seen it myself and yes I was disappointed to see only grey ones last week. see: https://theconversation.com/what-causes-the-different-colour...

> [Aurora] only appear to us in shades of gray because the light is too faint to be sensed by our color-detecting cone cells." > Thus, the human eye primarily views the Northern Lights in faint colors and shades of gray and white. DSLR camera sensors don't have that limitation. Couple that fact with the long exposure times and high ISO settings of modern cameras and it becomes clear that the camera sensor has a much…

Greens are the more common colors, reds and blues occur in higher energy solar storms.

And yes, they can be as green to the naked eye in that AI video. I've seen aurora shows that fill the entire night sky from horizon to horizon, way more impressive than that AI video with my own eyes.

Re: Veo

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

ugh123 wrote: post #219

From a filmmaking standpoint I still don't think this is impactful. For that it needs a "director" to say: "turn the horse's head 90˚ the other way, trot 20 feet, and dismount the rider" and "give me additional camera angles" of the same scene. Otherwise this is mostly b-roll content. I'm sure this is coming.

I can't wait what will the big video camera makers gonna do with tech similar to this. Since Google clearly have zero idea what to do with this, and they lack the creativity, it's up to ARRI, Canon, Panasonic etc. to create their own solutions for this tech. I can't wait to see what Canon has up its sleeves with their new offerings that come in a few months.

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Post by exodust »

porphyra wrote: post #398
arcticbull wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly the Veo example of the northern lights is a really interesting one. That's not what the northern lights look like to the naked eye - they're actually pretty grey. The really bright greens and even the reds really only come out when you take a photo of them with a camera. Of course the model couldn't know that because, well, it only gets trained on photos. Gets really existential - simulacra energy - maybe a…

Human eyes are basically black and white in low light since rod cells can't detect color. But when the northern lights are bright enough you can definitely see the colors. The fact that some things are too dark to be seen by humans but can be captured accurately with cameras doesn't mean that the camera, or the AI, is "making things up" or whatever. Finally, nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and…

> nobody wants to see a video or a photo of a dark, gray, and barely visible aurora

Except those who want to see an accurate representation of what it looks like to the naked eye.

Re: Veo

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Post by hwbunny »

mrcwinn wrote: post #373

OpenAI has the model advantage. Google and Apple have the ecosystem advantage. Apple in particular has the deeper stack integration advantage. Both Apple and Google have a somewhat poor software innovation reputation. How does it all net out? I suspect ecosystem play wins in this case because they can personalize more deeply.

ahem...zzzzzzzz

Re: Veo

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Post by hwbunny »

Octokiddie wrote: post #377

Oddly enough, I predict the final destination for this train will be for moving images to fade into the background. Everything will have a dazzling sameness to it. It's not unlike the weird place that action movies and pop music have arrived. What would have been considered unbelievable a short time ago has become bland. It's probably more than just novelty that's driving the comeback of vinyl.

Yeah, but if you bring up a generation or two on this trash, they will get used to it and think this will be the norm and gonna enjoy it like pigs at the troughs.
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