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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by smegger001 »

ransom1538 wrote: post #329
richardlblair wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My context is Canada where getting killed at work wouldn't been an issue. In the context I'm speaking about it would likely drive opportunity in low income neighborhoods. Canada also have horrific city planning, so when I say people need to travel far I mean they need to spend up to 3 hours in some major (major for us) cities just to get groceries. The US is a whole other can of worms, I don't know how to solve those…

Canada is about to become a 2nd world country. No industry, no ability to own a home, no healthcare [1], only one party, banking restrictions, etc etc,. 1. Healthcare is where you can see a doctor.

Thats not what a second world country is. Second world was used to describe Soviet Communist block countries as opposed to Western Industrialized Capitalist Democracies. Third World was everyone else, what we would now refer to as the global south (because apparently economist much like Eurovision organizers are a bit fuzzy on geography and seem to believe Australia and New Zealand to be somewhere in the atlantic)

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

imacomputertoo wrote: post #209

The conclusion of this data presentation is that so of these people are our collective responsibility, and I just wasn't convinced. I wish they had shown percentages with the visualization. They choose not to. I was underwhelmed by some points that seemed like they should have been more shocking. Look at the huge number of people in the many adverse experiences category who made it to college, and make a high salary.…

The person in the story might has well have been me

- I repeated 7th grade

- Was suspended Multiple times

- Lived in 11 different houses

- Lived with a teacher for two months

- Good friend murdered

- Mom of good friend murdered by their Father

- Gnarly parents divorce with police etc regularly

I joined the AF because I read a book about John Boyd and figured I could pursue technology that I saw in the movies so I got out

What could the govt have done? The question is incoherent.

Are they going to make my toxic narcissistic parents stop being that way?

No, I needed a family and community to take care of me. So unless you believe government = collective community then there’s nothing the govt can do but stop letting businessmen and conservatives keep standing on our necks

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by concordDance »

renjimen wrote: post #377
cameldrv wrote: post #364

The punchline is this: "It's 2021. The research participants are in their late-30s now, which means they've had plenty of time to shape their own destinies. But we can clearly see that the experiences of their childhood had a huge effect on their financial situation as adults. It also has an effect on virtually everything else in their lives." You cannot infer the direction of causality from this data, i.e. that the…

Given the order of events (childhood trauma THEN adult outcomes), and the strong relationships identified in the source material (while controlling for confounding factors), I think it's about as close as we can get to inferring directionality.

> I think it's about as close as we can get to inferring directionality.

No, we can try interventions (e.g. do a big and expensive anti-violence/CCTV/policing campaign in a neighborhood) and record the result.

I do think the grandparent has a point and a lot of these could have a common cause. e.g. a violent environment and poor educational attainment could both be caused by poverty or genes for impulse control or a subculture with a higher acceptance these things.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by tomp »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #355
richardlblair wrote: post #247

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It's hard to look at visualizations like this and reflect on the experiences of the individuals living through hardship. Even those who 'make it out' may struggle in ways not fully captured in the data or this visualization. I grew up in a 'high risk environment', and experienced all the adverse experiences with the exception of gun violence (yay Canada). I'm one of the few that 'made it out'. Many of my childhood fr…

> Teach conflict resolution skills to young children. This is pretty huge. A lot of my experience growing up in California during the 90s was "tell an adult" and "zero tolerance" coming down from school administrators. This is useful at a very young age, but it neglects to equip the children with agency for when the adults aren't around. You can't tell an adult when you're on the school bus and conflict breaks out. Y…

What do you mean?

In the adult world, you'd just call the police.

In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by rkho »

> College isn't just a place that teaches you how to do a job

Sorry, what? This statement feels like the exception, not the norm for most people who have attended college.

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Post by concordDance »

fzeindl wrote: post #218
subpixel wrote: post #6

Positive relationships with adults is shown to be means of counteracting adverse childhood experiences. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8237477/ I volunteer in a local school. It's not always fun, but something has to change.

This is old news. Basically children in bad situations need just one reliable person who believes in them in their lives. What it does is making them realize that it’s not them who are doing something wrong but that their surroundings are flawed. The problem begins when children start to believe everything is their own fault.

> The problem begins when children start to believe everything is their own fault.

My experience is it's the opposite and you need to overcome learned helplessness and understand that you can change your life.

Are there any good studies that could tell us which of us is correct?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by smegger001 »

unholythree wrote: post #361
feoren wrote: post #339

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Almost all of these calculations work out extremely in favor of just giving the poor money. It's expensive to be poor, and not just for them. They cost more in healthcare, crime, and other support systems. Literally just giving all the homeless cheap housing for free is by far the better option if you actually pay attention to the numbers. The same is abundantly clear for free education. But we can't, because we like…

Except inflation, in the US we gave everyone money a couple of years ago (probably had to) and it caused (probably unavoidable) spectacular inflation. We narrowly achieved our soft landing, but that should have taught us that while sometime helicopter money works, it isn’t free.

Maybe if more of that PPE money had actually been paid to those that need it rather than the employers that pocketed millions instead it would have gone better.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by maxerickson »

James_K wrote: post #349
anon291 wrote: post #302

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Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. > Reduce the burden of poverty. For instance, the poorer you are the further you have to travel to the grocery store. The people who often don't have the means to easily travel for food have to travel for food. No one wants to work in these neighborhoods because they are invariably awful. At some point the risk of an employee…

> Our current economic system has consistently lifted large numbers of people out of poverty historically, and is still doing it today. I think you mean China's economic system, which was in turn based on the practices of the USSR. China's economic system is lifting millions out of poverty, but western systems are systematically dragging people into it. Poverty in the US has never been lower than it was in 1973. Sinc…

What measures of poverty are you using for each country?

Are they roughly equivalent, so that you are comparing similar things?

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by James_K »

busyant wrote: post #388
James_K wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our current economic system has consistently lifted large numbers of people out of poverty historically, and is still doing it today. I think you mean China's economic system, which was in turn based on the practices of the USSR. China's economic system is lifting millions out of poverty, but western systems are systematically dragging people into it. Poverty in the US has never been lower than it was in 1973. Sinc…

> Between 1973 and 2013, the number of people in poverty in the US increased by ~60%. You edited your comment. I believe it originally contained the text above. I'm assuming the edit was due to the fact that the statistic was based on absolute numbers and was not corrected for US population growth. I also think the US vs China comparison is basically apples to bowling balls. It's "easy" to lift a giant percentage of…

> It's "easy" to lift a giant percentage of the population out of poverty when a large swath of your population is in poverty

Not entirely true. When you look at the decrease of China's extreme poverty, it is almost linear up until the numbers got to essentially 0. Even if this were true, it should be easy for the US to lift people out of poverty, given that there is a huge number of poor people in America.

> Not saying the US doesn't deserve some criticism here, but your comparison was not apt.

My point more broadly is that China has spent 40 years going in the right direction and the west has spent 40 years stagnating and deteriorating. At any rate, my main qualm was with the text "and [our economic system] is still doing it [lifting people out of poverty] today". This is not true by any metric.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by ska »

richardlblair wrote: post #313
anon291 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately a solid number of these things would rely on the moral equivalent of slavery. > Reduce the burden of poverty. For instance, the poorer you are the further you have to travel to the grocery store. The people who often don't have the means to easily travel for food have to travel for food. No one wants to work in these neighborhoods because they are invariably awful. At some point the risk of an employee…

My context is Canada where getting killed at work wouldn't been an issue. In the context I'm speaking about it would likely drive opportunity in low income neighborhoods. Canada also have horrific city planning, so when I say people need to travel far I mean they need to spend up to 3 hours in some major (major for us) cities just to get groceries. The US is a whole other can of worms, I don't know how to solve those…

> 3 hours in some major

That doesn't sound plausible. Got some examples?

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