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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by asadotzler »

0_____0 wrote: post #276
azemetre wrote: post #202

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Should plastic containers shedding millions of nano particles be considered sanitary? The only reason it’s used is that the externalities aren’t properly taxed (or not banned IMO). Maybe we should not use things that are “easier” when they’re contributing to a massive amount of pollution. I mean there was an article posted here about finding microplastics in a human fetus. Yet we still continue to use it.

Most microplastics in your environment are from tires and textiles. Blow molded PE is way down the list on what I'm worried about.

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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by asadotzler »

Tokkemon wrote: post #366
azemetre wrote: post #252

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We're seriously going to say that a substance that was very recently introduced to human society is as risky as food poisoning? How often do the commoners have to suffer through businesses ill-attempt to save money while poisoning us? Leaded gasoline, chlorofluorocarbons, asbestos, pet food laced with poisons and filler, baby food laced with heavy metals, opioids, cigarettes, campaigns about seat belts being unsafe,…

People die from food poisoning. No one has died from microplastics, so far as we can tell.

you don't actually know that. if, imagine, the increase in dementia or cancer or any major illness is increased at all by microplastics, and we will find this out before long, and it will indict Big Plastic and Big Oil, we will learn it's killed far more of us that you whoring for Big Oil and Big Plastic suggests.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by spandrew »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #223

> Currently only about 3% of PP products are being recycled in the United States, but it is becoming more widely accepted So now the relatively small amount of mass in the cap is just as recyclable as the bottle itself -- neither are actually going to be recycled. There's nothing to see here but marketing. And a an interesting engineering puzzle solved, sure. "How Big Oil Misled The Public Into Believing Plastic Woul…

This is a weird take? It's not Heinz' job to solve every issue in the recycling supply chain. If more of their products can be recycled; more of their products will be recycled. That's still progress.

Anyone with a modicum of product and process exp. knows progress > perfection.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by criddell »

asadotzler wrote: post #401
0_____0 wrote: post #276

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Most microplastics in your environment are from tires and textiles. Blow molded PE is way down the list on what I'm worried about.

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If this forum has gone to hell, it's because of bad faith arguments.

The person you responded to isn't defending anything, they are just saying it is a lower priority.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by khrbrt »

xyzzyz wrote: post #373
abdullahkhalids wrote: post #367

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> Glass takes about 40% less energy to melt than sand does Energy is not the only metric. We need metrics to roughly quantify ecological destruction due to mining, and account for those in our calculations.

Mining sand for glass is really negligible environmental destruction. Extra energy needed for recycling vs fresh glass has worse environmental impact.

Mining sand has terrible effects on riverine ecosystems. You can't just use the sand at the beach.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by jgalt212 »

ArnoVW wrote: post #278
jgalt212 wrote: post #213

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> You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container. yeah, that would be a great use of everyone's time. line up at the olive oil station, line up at the beer station, line up at the flour station, line up at the coffee station, line up at the ketchup station, .... and then on top of that, add up the time and expense of everyone getting a different price…

I know this will blow your mind, but where I do my shopping (France) this exists in many places and there are no queues. It takes 1 minute more to fill a bag or bottle. But it prevents a heck of a lot of packaging. And I can take precisely the quantity I want, in the container that I want. Perhaps you prefer the “old” way. Perhaps it is faster. But if we can not make tiny changes like that, how will we explain oursel…

> It takes 1 minute more to fill a bag or bottle. But it prevents a heck of a lot of packaging. And I can take precisely the quantity I want, in the container that I want.

1 minute for each product, vs like 1 second for each product. I think it's a similar efficiency loss as containerized vs break bulk shipping.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by jgalt212 »

boudin wrote: post #233
jgalt212 wrote: post #213

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> You know what's more efficient than glass? Ship the product in bulk and dispense it into the customer's container. yeah, that would be a great use of everyone's time. line up at the olive oil station, line up at the beer station, line up at the flour station, line up at the coffee station, line up at the ketchup station, .... and then on top of that, add up the time and expense of everyone getting a different price…

You clearly have no idea about what you are talking about. I've been buying bulk everything I can for a long time and I don't see any downside to it. It's smarter in every single point: - I buy what I need instead of what was decided by the packager. - I don't buy a package to throw it away and buy a new one next time. What a waste of money on top of the environmental impact. - It's way more efficient for shopping. W…

Your time is worth zero, and other folks time is worth non-zero. That's one way to get your conclusion. The other way, is you're just wrong.
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