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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by ysofunny »

thfuran wrote: post #384
ysofunny wrote: post #362

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naming things is hard is one of the cultural difference between a computer-first logical mindset contrasted with the mathematics-first mindset the mathematics first mentality does not properly recognize the importance and the difficulty of having good names for things, whereas the computological view recognizes both: the importance and the difficulty

How many mathematicians do you know? All the mathematicians I know are interested in both notational and linguistic clarity.

lucky you, all the mathematics proessors I've had scarcely know how to work a computer

another cultural difference is the kind of homework they hand out; the difference boils down to whether you hand over a printed (or printable) proof checked by reading through it, or a runnable program or script checked by running it

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by sofixa »

skywhopper wrote: post #383
islewis wrote: post #361

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> Messy branding is now par for the course at Apple. The iPad line alone is something out of a Dell catalog: iPad, iPad 10thgen, iPad Air, iPad Mini, iPad Pro. a comment from another thread this morning- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39300741

I mean, Air, Mini, and Pro are all distinct form factors. It's confusing only to the extent that you might not know which one is "best" from a CPU/memory/storage POV. But Apple has succeeded for iOS products at least at making that distinction mostly meaningless: pick the form factor you want, then pick the storage capacity and sometimes the color, you're done.

Is the Air, the Mini or the no-named one the smallest?

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by electroly »

kevinventullo wrote: post #350
ra7 wrote: post #334

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It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

Maybe not quite the same, but I will point out that “Apple TV” and “Apple TV+” are not just two distinct products, but are in fact entirely different categories of product. One is a piece of hardware akin to a Roku. The other is a streaming service akin to Netflix.

If you ever take a customer survey for Apple, for the "which Apple products do you use?" question they always have to write something like "Apple TV (a streaming box that plugs into your TV)" and "Apple TV+ (an online streaming service)" because they know the names are so confusing.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by travisgriggs »

While I have found that ChatGPT pretty regularly outperforms Bard, I still run my questions through both, because sometimes Bard has a different angle that I like better.

I kinda liked the name “Bard”. It fit. Gemini is going to make me think of ancient rockets and ostentatious claims.

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Post by sofixa »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #288
yashasolutions wrote: post #286

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and then, since no massive adoption as they wished, they kill the product with one month notice...

Oh I see they’ve improved and now give longer notice periods? Lol

We got like a year of notice on the shutdown of Stadia, with a full refund for all purchases (but not the subscription for Pro). It was exceptionally well done, and if they had announced that to be their plans the service might have even worked out...

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Post by joenot443 »

LightMachine wrote: post #356
empath-nirvana wrote: post #280

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Such a weird test. 99.9% of humans wouldn't even understand the question, let alone be able to formulate a coherent answer for it.

Being able to answer these questions is a pre-requisite for AGI. After all, there ARE humans capable of doing that, so, if the AI can't do it no matter how hard it tries, then that means there ARE human capabilities that the AI can't replicate (thus, it isn't an AGI). And it seems like no LLM is making any progress at all in that kind of prompt, which is why I use it as a core benchmark on my "AGI-meter".

I think you'll be using that meter for a long time, then. I don't really know anyone who's under the impression that the current direction of LLMs are going to produce AGI, it seems as if you're barking up a tree most people aren't really concerned exists.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by zooq_ai »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #296
freediver wrote: post #277

This is an impressive product, well done Google. There is a PM in there somewhere who knows what they are doing, kudos to you. Prediction: they get to 6-7 digit number of paying customers, decide it is peanuts for them (~$20M/mo) and instead decide to push the free version with ads with full force as the future of search.

At least for now, my understanding is the cost of inference is an order (orders?) of magnitude higher than for normal Google search. That is, a paywall is almost a necessity at present because tons of low-value users make the search uneconomic. Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.

You are correct. A lot of social media people simply don't understand business models

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Post by lupire »

LightMachine wrote: post #349
darkwater wrote: post #313

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> If we want to test these beasts in logic, we should probably start using actual formalized logic, rather than English. Why? Do you use formalized logic when discussing with other people about topics that involve logic? You know, a logic riddle or a philosophical question can be understood and processed even if the only tool you have is your native language. Formalized logic is a big prerequisite that basically cuts…

Because once an AI becomes proficient at formalized logic, it: 1. Completely stops hallucinating, since we can demand it to internally prove its claims before showing the answer; 2. Stops outputting incorrect code (for the same reason); 3. Starts being capable of outputting complete projects (since it will now be able to compose pieces into a larger code); 4. This is also what is needed for an AI to start self-improv…

Humans mostly don't use logic, so how are you defining "AGI"? ChatGPT + plugins is pretty close to how humans think ("biased random word-association guess + structured tool")

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by travisgriggs »

thesuitonym wrote: post #365
ra7 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s sad that a company of very smart people can’t figure out coherent naming. Can you imagine Apple causing confusion like this? I know it’s not a like-for-like comparison, but everything Apple does it seems like they have a grand strategy that’s clear for everyone to see. Things build up in a modular way to fit a big puzzle. Google, on the other hand, constantly makes up things on an ad hoc basis.

It seems to be something all large software companies struggle with. The product team comes up with some cool or interesting thing, gives it a decent name, then some marketing manager trying to justify their position decides everything needs to be rebranded under the same umbrella, and a wave of product renames gets started, but never fully finished. Then, two to three years later, some marketing manager needs to jus…

This in a nutshell.

What I’ve seen, is that when consensus can’t quickly be reached among different naming factions, someone will say “well our customers know and love Brand Word XYZ, let’s just bolt a qualifier on that and win for us!”

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by surajrmal »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #348
devit wrote: post #278

Has anyone successfully bypassed the region lock? What does it check exactly? Does it need a US credit card? A US IP address? A Google account with a US phone? A Google account created from a US IP address? Some other way of tying the Google account to a country?

I'm in the UK and I got passed it, I'm sure Google knows I'm not in the US.

It's available in 150 countries, no need to bypass anything: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14517446?visit_id=6...
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