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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ttfkam »

jabradoodle wrote: post #330
janoc wrote: post #234

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You forgot the very "unimportant" detail which was that electric cars in Norway were zero VAT and tax for electric cars until this year (normal VAT is 25%). Well, gee, no wonder that people were buying them left and right when the tax discount was about 16-20k NOK per car on average! And that is just buying the car - Norway subsidizes electric mobility in many other ways so even today registering a new electric is ch…

They did nothing great apart, from being the first new car startup in the US in more than 100 years, with an entirely new business model. OPs point had nothing to do with wether the government subsidised EVs or not.

More than 100 years? Are you SURE about that?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by bayindirh »

idontknowifican wrote: post #337
bayindirh wrote: post #243

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With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).

it is an interesting strategy here, does misdirection apply well outside if magic? does this work in actual conversation?

It was meant to be a joke to a begin with, but people took it very seriously.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jprd »

Closi wrote: post #397
gonzo41 wrote: post #374

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Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

Then you take it down and not make a sub-par product. I'm not sure why we all need to ascribe some sort of Messianic vibe to a car company. I'm also not sure I want to bow to the altar of "whip your well-paid employees to sacrifice the best years of their lives to push out meh vehicles" either.

1000% behind the electric push, but dang y'all, it is car company

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Closi »

nradov wrote: post #400
Closi wrote: post #397

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Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

Other manufacturers like Toyota would actually shut the production line down to fix such problems instead of shipping defective products.

I guarantee they wouldn’t shut down the line while they wait for a fix for within-tolerance panel gap improvements - they would work on designing a fix that would be implementable on the line while continuing manufacture. Designing, Testing and Commissioning an improvement will often take many months.

The zero defect thing is fixing issues early rather than fixing them at the end - not shutting down the whole line if you identify that a tolerance can be improved and waiting for the fix.

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Post by montagg »

Closi wrote: post #397
gonzo41 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

You’re describing priorities, not impossibilities.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jungturk »

jeremyjh wrote: post #263
iterati wrote: post #231

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My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

All the other EVs have standardized on their charger now as well though, so their network is available to everyone.

_Will be_ available. Rollout is happening slowly.

Tesla's supercharger map shows which stations are open to non-Teslas so far: https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=66.26595543136888%2C...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by gruez »

angulardragon03 wrote: post #162
bagels wrote: post #100

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Probably the same reason people go through a BMW every few years: leasing cars so you are always driving new cars.

Probably this, yeah. Lease cars as part of your work comp are relatively common in the tech sector here.

>Lease cars as part of your work comp are relatively common in the tech sector here.

It's not treated as income by the tax authorities? If so, I'd rather have them hand me cash instead so I can get the car I want, and won't be out of a car when I'm laid off/quit.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by gruez »

roflyear wrote: post #354
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #229

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> If you don't care about your environmental impact My point is the environmental effect is de minimis . Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.

This is logically sound when phrased like this but it is not the reality. Studies show you should drive a car into the ground to achieve maximum environmental benefit (or minimum impact is more accurate) This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US.

>Studies show [...]

1. source?

2. what is their methodology for "maximum environmental benefit", and how do they account for the fact that when you buy a new car that costs 5 tons CO2e to produce and sell it 2 years later, that you're not on the hook for all 5 tons of emissions? That said, the cost of buying cars every 2 years probably isn't zero either. There are transaction costs and at the margins you're probably pushing the average lifetime of a car ever so slightly lower, thereby causing more emissions to be generated from manufacturing. However on the flip side, OP mentioned that he was doing this with teslas (ie. electric cars), and they're better for the environment compared with ICE cars. If his actions are displacing used ICE cars, he could be actually doing a net good by effectively subsidizing the replacement of ICE cars with electric.

>This is realized when you look at vast junkyards of unused cars in the US.

The tight used car market begs to differ.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by himaraya »

LightBug1 wrote: post #297
light_hue_1 wrote: post #269

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This is like reading a review of an iphone from an older dedicated blackberry user. It can take a bit to get used to advances in technology. The Tesla UI is the best car UI I've ever used. By far. I would never want to go back. 1. There's zero guessing. The steering wheel touch zones are very nicely marked by bumps. I have never put my finger in the wrong spot. 2. You can configure the steering wheel buttons to do so…

Subjective. I feel completely the opposite about them when I've driven them. Impressive technology, and admirable strides towards their mission, impressive engineers ... but with many failing: FSD, repairability, boring drive-feedback, insurance pricing, focus on speed over alsmost everything, manufacturing quality both inside and outside, and the design language of a taxi-cab to top it all off ... only the S can be…

I largely agree except on steering feel, which Tesla does better than much of the competition these days
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