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Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

jjav wrote: post #150
grecy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the price will shoot up drastically as soon as the market is aware of someone Will that still happen if you put in a single order to buy 51% of all the shares at a price a little above the current market value ? That trade will be complete before the market "sees" you are trying to buy a ton.

> That trade will be complete before the market "sees" you are trying to buy a ton. That's not how the market works. There are not enough open sell orders at any price (let alone a little above most recent price) for someone to sweep in and buy 51% (or even just a few percent) at once. As soon as more than a trivial (in the noise) amount of your buys goes through all the open sell orders will start to move up in pric…

And the sell orders will move in a matter of microseconds, right? It's not just automated trading, it's automated high frequency trading, where trading firms employ armies of excellent low-level programmers to shave off clock cycles from the trading algorithms to be the first company to react to market changes.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

microtherion wrote: post #129
kstrauser wrote: post #78

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From an employee's point of view, I'm 100% OK with that. If Apple wants to throw money at an engineer to do the same thing they were already doing, but for Apple, then by all means do so. I don't think it's at all unethical to hire away employees. If it were, that'd lead to bad outcomes for those people (i.e. artificially suppressed wages).

… which is in fact something Apple was doing in the past. It's somewhat ironic when a company that gets in trouble for their anti-poaching shenanigans now gets accused of poaching. To me, it's clear that hiring competitors' employees is not morally wrong, and for the most part it's not legally wrong either, PROVIDED those employees do not take along their prior employers' confidential information.

Personally, I'm against anti-poaching when Apple does it and I'm against anti-poaching when other people do it.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

lukev wrote: post #39

Why would Apple take their devices off the market or disable the feature instead of parting with a minuscule fraction of the pile of gold they're sitting on for a patent license? I mean obviously for now it makes more sense for them to wait and hope they win on appeal or get the import ban veto'd, but if it actually comes down to not being able to sell the device, surely the lost revenue would exceed the licensing co…

Because Masimo doesn't offer a patent license:

> “If they don’t want to use our chip, I’ll work with them to make their product good,” Mr. Kiani said. “Once it’s good enough, I’m happy to give them a license.”

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

epistasis wrote: post #96
renewiltord wrote: post #85

This stuff is ancient technology. It's a pulse oximeter. We've had those for decades. And then this is a pulse oximeter with computer storage attached. That's a nonsense patent. If Apple is fighting it, perhaps there's a chance it will invalidate. That's a good thing for us.

Have we had a wrist based pulse oximeter for decades? If this were so trivial, Apple may not have needed to hire so many people that worked on the patented technology

"Oximeter, but on the wrist" doesn't sound like something which ought to be patentable, even if it was novel. Sounds a lot like those "this old thing, but on a computer" patents.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

lijok wrote: post #208
mort96 wrote: post #175

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They may be selling products but that doesn’t mean they’re not patent trolls. This is clear patent troll behaviour even if other parts of the business is honest.

Patent trolls by definition do not produce their own goods using the patent

If Apple comes after another company for something basic that they have patented, I'm calling that patent trolling behavior.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #201
mort96 wrote: post #172

Patents are universally stifling innovation in pretty much every area of tech. They need to die. EDIT: And to be clear, this isn’t a case of just having to pay the people who developed the tech for a license. The patent trolls who hold the license aren’t willing to sell Apple a license, unless Apple switches to use their hardware or partner with them to work on Apple’s hardware. There is no excuse. Markets can’t work…

There are two sides to every story, but given some of the evidence in this case, this seems like exactly what patents are supposed to be for. E.g. little company invents novel technology, then big company comes in and copies them (by largely hiring out a bunch of their employees). E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38689442 I'm also usually strongly against patents, especially for software, but I think your ch…

More like: big company is granted legal monopoly on old existing technology, stifles innovation.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by pharmakom »

consp wrote: post #375
caslon wrote: post #366

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Why is it scummy? Hiring people to produce goods or services and compensating them based on the value of their knowledge and abilities is sort of the entire value pitch of capitalism, and it's unlikely anyone would have moved over to Apple if the compensation wasn't more worthwhile to them.

Ah late stage capitalism. Don't innovate, poach. I don't mean the people shouldn't chose to be compensated well but if you are up against practically infinite funds there is no realistic option for a counter offer.

I dunno, Apple has better market access and product execution so isn’t it a good thing if they acquire innovative tech?

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

Baader-Meinhof wrote: post #103
xyst wrote: post #68

IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong. You can’t invent anything or push something to market without stepping on at least 1 or more vague patents.

A lot of medicine requires $100's of millions of R&D, with a high chance of failure. No company would take that risk if their work wasn't protected. So at least in some fields, it spurs innovation.

Most of the investment into R&D for medicine is government-funded, it's just that a company ends up with the patent afterwards.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mrtree »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #396
jojobas wrote: post #386

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This seems to be an uninformed opinion. Masimo has been on the cutting edge of pulse-oximetry for decades, and figuring out how to make a low power wrist pulse-oximeter is non-trivial.

Maybe. These patents seem pretty trivial though. > Masimo has been on the cutting edge of pulse-oximetry Maybe because they built an artificial patent moat around themselves and no other company can compete?

“Making a wristband pulsioximeter is trivial”

Sure sure.

Re: Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

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Post by mort96 »

adrr wrote: post #122
xyst wrote: post #68

IP/patent law is holding back innovation. Prove me wrong. You can’t invent anything or push something to market without stepping on at least 1 or more vague patents.

Countries with very lenient enforcement of IP laws have very minimal innovation. Brazil, Argentina, India. Countries who haven't signed TRIPS almost no innovation, North Korea, Somalia. Countries with the strictest patent laws and enforcement are the leaders in innovation. Germany, US, South Korea. Strict enforcement of patent laws ensures that capital will be invested in innovation.

Do you think maybe there might be an underlying cause which results in both weak IP law enforcement and low innovation?

I mean would fucking North Korea be a heaven of innovation if only they more strictly policed IP law??

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