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The pro-Israel information war

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I have no skin in this game but I have a lot of Jewish friends.

I have two conclusions:

- Whoever is in charged for this "pro-Israel" information war failed miserably. Even in Jewish communities.

- Putin is clearly the winner here.

The mistakes are the following:

- They focused way too much on the mainstream media. And nearly nothing on TikTok, forums, etc.

- They did nothing about China's and Russia's influence and their own info-war.

- They assumed Biden is popular - or maybe they hoped his support will help in public. It did not.

- They pushed "canceling" but public option about canceling changed considerable in last 6 months.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Despite all this, as a casual observer, my general impression is Israel has done terribly at making the case for war, and specifically the kind of war their military seems to be carrying out. The most relevant comparison seems to be with the Russians. Russia has no credibility in the West and Israel is rapidly losing any they had, at least with younger people. My general impression is of a Russian-level intensity of…

You will be made quite miserable if you find what you seek. The Israeli politicians basically see Gaza as a "problem" population which they cannot deal with and which is hampering their national goals. And it's shockingly and ironically similar to how Jewish people were looked at in another time and another place by another leader

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Bit of a tangent, but I'm proud of the HN community. This post was flagged almost immediately, even though there were around 70 upvotes. Then, the admins decided to give us a chance. And so far, the discussions have been civil and very interesting.

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> which also included a denunciation of the “Zionist ideology which promotes an exclusivist state,” That's an interesting claim, since Israel is definitely not a exclusivist state. Yet again, 'anti-zionism' seems to be used as a dog whistle for anti-semitism This article is pretty bad, it screams the typical "jews run the media" trope The authors also collaborated on an article called 'Moderna is spying on you'. So t…

Not an exclusivist state, really? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-adopts-divisive-la...

Basically every human rights org has come out and declared it an apartheid state based off how non-Jews are treated within Israel proper and in Israeli-occupied territory.

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Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

Many black Americans hold pro-Palestinian views because of the perceived similarity to civil rights abuses in America and South Africa, as well as Palestinian support for Black Lives Matter. Brown Americans for similar reasons. American youth cohorts (under 40) are blacker and browner than its elderly, and the most likely to use the platforms in question. The oblique suggestion of shadowy puppeteers tricking minoriti…

Not to mention the policing styles of American cops and the IDF are very similar and literally share training and tactics.

The actual treatment of Palestinians on the ground mirrors the experience black Americans and others literally deal with in the US.

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It's also the nature of the violence. It's generally acceptable to show shots of bombed-out buildings and the like, or even display injured or dead bodies. The footage we and Israel have from Hamas depicts first-hand murder, rape and torture - all things which are going to violate TOS.

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>Okay - then what should be Israel's response? The same response I have concluded should have been the US' response to 9/11: turn the other cheek, and invest heavily in reconciling with "enemy" forces while rebuilding "enemy" infrastructure and institutions, while dealing with individual bad actors on a case-by-case basis as a matter of legal (rather than martial) procedure. And I'm not joking. I feel bad for Israeli…

1) thats politically a dead end, nobody will immediately make friends after a massacre and mass rape. Especially after decades of tensions and double especially when the muslim world once descended on Israel at once. 2) Quiet reminder that there are 1B followers of Islam and there has always been a wish (especially from Iran) to end the existence of Israel: the Palestinian people are unfortunately a pawn in that game…

> Winning over the palestinians wont actually win you over anything.

Establishment of a Palestinian State with a stake in peace and stability would win you something.

> Instead you will have terrorist attacks by “palestinians” until the tensions are stoked again.

One of the things this would win you is someone with interest and capacity to respond to this where the occupation/colonialism/ethnic-/religious-conflict narrative would not be applicable.

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Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> It's probably relevant that there are 1 billion Muslims to 16 million Jews,

Anecdotally, all of my friends here in the EU are pro-Palestinian, and none of us is Muslim. It's also relevant to consider the context of Israel's occupation of Palestine and illegal settlements in light of the UN General Assembly's pro-Palestinian votes.

One of the examples from before current conflict[1]: Approve 128 nations. Against 9 nations: Guatemala, Honduras, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Togo and United States.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...

Today, there was another vote in the UN Security Council regarding a ceasefire. Thirteen nations voted in favor of it, the UK abstained, and the US vetoed.

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This is the problem with a nation that is so closely tied with a religion. I don't believe the people out there who are angry at Israelis and non-Israeli Jews have a problem with the Torah, or keeping Shabbat, or menorahs, etc. They are angry at the actions of the Israeli state and military, and making the assumption that all Jews support them.

> They are angry at the actions of the Israeli state and military, and making the assumption that all Jews support them.

How is that not antisemitism?

Why do they claim displaying a star of David for Hanukah is anti-Palestine? The star of David is a jewish symbol, and they are protesting that jewish symbol by saying it is pro-Palestine to display a jewish symbol during a jewish holiday. The star of david is not the property of a Jewish state any more than displaying a Cross during christmas is Pro-Roman.

What about that is anti-Israel instead of Anti-Jewish?

I believed the "we are just anti-israel, anti-colonization, not anti-jewish" right up until this shit literally hit my backyard. How come a concert of people that was explicitly about Palestinian freedom from Israel was targeted? Why did Palestinian supporters get slaughtered and gang-raped if this was about freeing Palestine?

How does my jewish girlfriend feel safe about this situation if Pro-Palestine jewish people are being slaughtered anyway, and any symbol of jewishness is targeted as "Pro-Israel"? Temples are being tagged with swastikas, businesses with jewish employees are being attacked, jewish college students are being harassed and their college leadership struggled to find a way to denounce calls to genocide jews. "Pro-Palestine" rallys are singing "From the river to the sea", which is explicitly a rallying cry about Israel being an illegitimate state.

Where's the evidence that this ISN'T about people being jewish? At the very least, completely unaffiliated people, including people who have never set foot in Israel, are being targeted simply because they are jewish.

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