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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by guerrilla »

Saris wrote: post #386
guerrilla wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The claim was not that video needs to be hosted but that video hosting is expensive. It's not, because we can easily distribute the cost now.

How do we distribute the cost? Say a popular creator uploads a video to a peertube instance and gets 10 million views, the video is 10 minutes and 15mbps bitrate, that's roughly 10 petabytes of data the peertube server needs to send. If we take say, Vultr as an example for outgoing data costs, that's something like $100,000 of data for a single video. Yes P2P will take some of that load off, but not that much with ho…

> If we take say, Vultr as an example for outgoing data costs, that's something like $100,000 of data for a single video.

I'm not really sure what you didn't understand about distributing the video and cost.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

mavhc wrote: post #327
wruza wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

And yet still they're the most popular sites, why hasn't everyone moved to an objectively better solution?

Network effects.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Astraco »

mavhc wrote: post #327
wruza wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

And yet still they're the most popular sites, why hasn't everyone moved to an objectively better solution?

Because it comes configured on your phone or browser, and learning to use new tools implies will and effort.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by mvdtnz »

zlg_codes wrote: post #21

People will leave Youtube once enough bullshit piles on. There is a point. The question is, will Google push it and trigger an exodus? I'm not sitting through ads to watch stuff. I'd rather not watch things at all than watch ads. Peer to peer networks are still around. Vimeo still exists. Pretty sure DailyMotion and friends also still exist. PeerTube and other stuff are making it easier for video communities to suppo…

Given the amount of incredible content I don't see myself ever leaving YouTube. Instead of complaining about "the bullshit" I simply pay a few shekels a month for premium, which is easily worth it.

I have tried Peer Tube many times. It, to be frank, sucks.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Saris »

guerrilla wrote: post #401
Saris wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we distribute the cost? Say a popular creator uploads a video to a peertube instance and gets 10 million views, the video is 10 minutes and 15mbps bitrate, that's roughly 10 petabytes of data the peertube server needs to send. If we take say, Vultr as an example for outgoing data costs, that's something like $100,000 of data for a single video. Yes P2P will take some of that load off, but not that much with ho…

> If we take say, Vultr as an example for outgoing data costs, that's something like $100,000 of data for a single video. I'm not really sure what you didn't understand about distributing the video and cost.

Can you explain it a little? Because I'm not sure I get it. As far as I know peertube is centralized with a P2P element on top, but P2P only works if at least one side has an open port.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by RoyTyrell »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259
jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

Taking it to the extreme is pointless: the other extreme is that YT is only ads. That doesn't make sense either.

Here is my problem with the ads: the same ads will repeat many times over the course of a video, some ads will blast obnoxiously loud, and there are just way too many ads.

Also when I say too many ads, it's not just YouTube - we are bombarded by ads everywhere now. A few days ago I was watching a 4hr YT stream on my Fire Stick (and don't block ads there) and they were cutting to ads every 5min. Also I sometimes like to listen to music during walks and cutting to an ad in the middle of a 3min song is so ridiculous and obtrusive.

YouTube premium is expensive, especially if you have other streaming services.

This is Google's problem to solve, not ours. When you are "at war" with your customers, then the business needs to stop and think "what am I doing wrong". Under capitalism, it's the buyer that decides what your product or service is worth. YouTube Premium isn't worth $14/mo to me, so yes, I will continue to block ads as much as I can.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by countWSS »

I just stopped using Youtube since the first time they tried anti-adblock and now only watch linked videos if at all. I don't trust a platform that threatens its users. And of course, all those extensions/scripts to make Youtube usable are now disabled, to show how it really looks to discourage its use.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by alemanek »

acdha wrote: post #318
alemanek wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a bit of a different take on this. If we win the war against Ads lots of content won’t get made. But, the content that thrives in an Ad driven world is mostly toxic rage bait. I would argue that losing this content and instead only being left with content that people will actually pay for is a big net win for humanity. Likely we will never see a world without Ads but I can dream.

There’s no winning a war against ads. There are too many people who can’t or won’t pay for services directly, and there are too many people looking to promote products or viewpoints who’ll keep offering money to anyone with an audience. What I’d like would be focusing on the downsides: ad networks should have legal restrictions on how they collect and share data, liability for any malware they distribute, and every a…

Oh yeah I agree. I was using “If we win the war on Ads” much like “If we achieve world peace”. Unlikely to the point of impossibility.

Liability for malware distribution was something I haven’t seen proposed before but totally makes sense.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by jacquesm »

bko wrote: post #393
jacquesm wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I have a pretty good idea of what it costs to run a video site. Check my bio if you think you have something to explain to me on that front.

Great so you know how expensive running a video hosting site is. So explain to me why Google will continue footing the bill when more and more people prevent them to run ads on the site.

I think you missed the point. Google bought youtube because for them bandwidth and storage are cheap (it's CPU that is expensive).

Back in the 90's when bandwidth was expensive we managed to run a free video site without advertising. Since then bandwidth has become orders of magnitude cheaper, and G has economies of scale that no other operator can get close to, they quite literally own the fiber, the endpoints and are present in just about every meet-me room all over the world. Storage costs have dropped even further. So what you think costs Google a couple of bucks to provide per user probably costs them fractions of a cent. And if they dropped the garbage their costs would be even lower.

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