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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by starttoaster »

Zak wrote: post #392
ender7 wrote: post #349

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I have no insider knowledge here, but Google tried to go the high route of working with carriers for years before giving up on their intransigence. I suspect that Google's RCS is proprietary as a blunt instrument to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way or (b) have the ability to pick and choose the pieces of the implementation they want to support. You either get the whole thi…

Google had the opportunity to own this space a decade ago when they made Hangouts the default SMS client on Android. It's exactly what Apple did with iMessage, but Hangouts was cross-platform. It's absolutely bizarre to me they didn't iterate on that. I'm kind of glad they didn't.

On the flipside, Hangouts being sunset is the main reason I eventually left the Android ecosystem. Hangouts on a Pixel phone on Google Fi service was excellent for an SMS app. Feeling snubbed by the life getting choked out of Hangouts, I'm no longer a user of all 3.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by eitally »

MBCook wrote: post #383
Spooky23 wrote: post #202

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Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

It’s more than that. Videos and pictures sent via SMS absolutely suck because they were designed for 2004 era quality standards. I agree RCS will stay green. It will have text, good quality media, maybe read receipts. And that’s it. No E2EE or other extensions. Apple is fixing one issue (bad media quality) and taking away a disingenuous Google talking point. Perhaps this is also an argument to legislators that they d…

Media quality would be a start, at least. The only other thing I'd love for them to "fix" is the inability to add non-iPhone users to existing group chats. With those two things I -- and probably most Android users -- would be at a "don't care, this is good enough for me" state.

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Post by gsich »

ghodith wrote: post #219
Spooky23 wrote: post #202

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Nobody does, it’s a bitchy trope. Green bubbles matter in group chats. You can’t easily change participants and stuff like reactions generate junk messages.

Very much not a trope. I personally know multiple people who refuse to text green bubbles, to the point of refusing dates from people who have Android.

Some mental illnesses can't be cured I guess.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by eitally »

spike021 wrote: post #231
danielbln wrote: post #193

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So weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.

I live in America and literally nobody I know cares about this. Unfortunately I think it's just the typical remnant of the old Mac vs Windows haters who come out of the woodwork online to make it sound like a problem.

1. Kids care about it. Why? Because you can use iMessage via iPad without needing a phone number, and this is how lots of tweens get started with messaging.

2. Any Android users with iPhone friends trying to use iMessage for group chat cares about it. It's impossible to add Android users to an existing group chat... and any time you have a mixed iPhone + Android group chat it degrades a number of the iMessage group chat features normally accessible to iPhone users.

3. Any Android users receiving media over SMS/MMS from an iPhone user cares. They'll be receiving images & videos that look like they were shot with a potato.

The blue vs green color doesn't matter, but the effects mixed platform chatting has on both iPhone & Android users is significant.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by gsich »

danielbln wrote: post #193
kccqzy wrote: post #183

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Yup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.

So weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.

Yes. In Europe it's common to use superior text messages like Signal. Even Whatsapp is better than iMessage.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by Angostura »

kccqzy wrote: post #183
zitterbewegung wrote: post #154

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Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?

Yup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.

I suspect Apple will still allow fallback to SMS and green bubbles, iMessage will be blue ansd RCS will be a new colour

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by scarface_74 »

hedora wrote: post #357
ender7 wrote: post #349

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I have no insider knowledge here, but Google tried to go the high route of working with carriers for years before giving up on their intransigence. I suspect that Google's RCS is proprietary as a blunt instrument to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way or (b) have the ability to pick and choose the pieces of the implementation they want to support. You either get the whole thi…

A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).

In theory, E2EE is good until someone you are messaging turns on iCloud backup of messages you sent and now law enforcement can force Apple to give them your iCloud backup - with iMessage

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by doublepg23 »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #342
kmlx wrote: post #112

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> Apple only has dominant marketshare in the US. Japan: 65.88% Denmark: 64.04% Norway: 61.94% Canada: 57.84% Australia: 57.47% United States: 56.74% Switzerland: 55.92% Sweden: 55.33% United Kingdom: 51.63% Taiwan: 51.32% from: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

That's kind of depressing honestly. Also surprising as I always thought Android was more popular because there is more variety and cheaper options.

I mean with the iPhone SE starting at $429 new Apple has a lot of price brackets covered.
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