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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

boringg wrote: post #400

Is this just one big protectionist move? Opening the doors for more EU app companies to rake more money? I'm not even sure which EU companies are spending the big lobbying dollars for this one? Anyone? Conceptually I'm on board in practice I'm not. Once we actually look at what the other side looks like it's going to be super disappointing. And like everyone else said -- if you don't like the platform go shop for ano…

> Opening the doors for more EU app companies to rake more money?

EU technology companies are not known for their profiteering compared to American ones. Just saying.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by nickvanw »

redder23 wrote: post #191

Maybe not surprising but if you read the comments on the website there seems to be only Apple fanboys commenting who are butt-hurt about it. You can not make this up, consumers who root for a monopoly. This reminds me of gamers who hate the Epic Games Store with passion even though they give the actual devs of the games a bigger cut. Competition is always good for the consumers. And I get the security part when it co…

What monopoly? Android has a larger market share than Apple by quite a large factor in the European Union.

Saying that Apple does not provide value is laughable - saying that it isn't worth 30% of the transaction value might be one thing, but they provide the R&D to create the device, the platform, the review infrastructure, update infrastructure, development environment, etc.

I'm not even sure I disagree with you, but you have to at least describe what you are against correctly.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Apocryphon »

rTX5CMRXIfFG wrote: post #388
Apocryphon wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta is already in the regulators' sights. Data harvesting is not something the EU is blind to. Presumably there would be injunctions made against them from so easily pied pipering users into doing that. Not to mention, most users do not want to have to jump through more hoops just to have the same old FB/IG/WhatsApp experience. They'd balk.

And you trust governments because?

We, the people.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by junofan »

ralusek wrote: post #387

I love my Galaxy phones. I draw with the stylus constantly. I think they have better cameras. I love the Android back button. After almost 15 years of Android, I'm buying an iPhone specifically for iMessage. I had a daughter, and I'm so tired of getting and sending videos of her and her peers over SMS. I'm constantly uploading to Google drive and sending links, or asking people to get on an alternative chat platform.…

A glaring problem with RCS is that Google sells a way to run ads on it:

> RBM is a messaging platform that brands use to send One-Time Passwords (OTPs) and engage customers in dialog about transactions, customer service, promotions, and more. RBM is provided through a Google API and delivered to end users through Google servers. [1]

Google should work with carriers to increase MMS size limits for the sake of their users rather than end-run around SMS/MMS marketing laws.

[1]: https://developers.google.com/business-communications/rcs-bu...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by highwayman47 »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

sugarkjube wrote: post #398
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing Dream on. I use Firefox on my (android) phone and tablet, and it is seriously crippled. Also evolving in the wrong direction. (becoming more crippled)

Why do you say that. I use Firefox on my Android, specifically because I can install plugins, which I can't do in Chrome. What functionality do you think is "crippled"?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by root_axis »

kibwen wrote: post #267
HWR_14 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8/Chromium from a total monopoly, the App Store monopoly is the only thing holding back "use Meta omni-permission store or get cut off from FB/IG/WhatsApp". And then Meta getting most companies to use their store because they'll take 10% and just the data.

Great, and then we can properly break up Facebook as well as Google. I see no downsides here.

I don't see what breaking up Google or Facebook accomplishes, it changes absolutely nothing for consumers.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by nunez »

coldtea wrote: post #273
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

You care enough to buy iPhones and iOS, but not enough to buy Android and do all those things.

I can love my Apple devices and also wish for features.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by diego_sandoval »

Daishiman wrote: post #372
diego_sandoval wrote: post #358

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, actual freedom, understood as being free from unjust coercion, is more important than "user freedom", understood as having a wide range of services and goods to choose from. In this case, the former is being attacked in order to achieve the latter.

Users in a duopoly are getting coerced to a degree far more important to individual freedoms than the largest publicly traded corporation.

Users are not being coerced. Not being offered the products you want is not coercion.
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