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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by martin8412 »

parl_match wrote: post #392
martin8412 wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the stuff in a car could run on a 6502. The rest will run on something akin to the NXP i.MX8. Not at all cutting edge, but more than sufficient. It is more than fast enough to process input from sensors and it has hardware support for video.

eh, modern ECUs, accident compute, etc are doing timing and tuning calculations in real time such that you need something a little more adequate. A 40mhz PowerPC CPU with an FPU, for example. Aside from mandatory ADAS, most cars can definitely get away with "90s tech" but probably not "80s tech"

The 6502 in my argument was meant for something like controlling seats or mirrors.

The ECU obviously needs more compute power. That said 6502 was an over exaggeration.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by exceptione »

cpursley wrote: post #276
exceptione wrote: post #261

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It is a bit off-topic, but the Biden admin hasn't done anything like that indeed. In fact, nuclear exchange is self-destruction. No one is stupid enough to do that, even Trump wouldn't be. So parent's remark is off. For chips to be blocked going to Germany doesn't thus require a nuclear exchange. You rather should think of smth like military aggression from China towards Taiwan.

Shooting down the Chinese ballon and arming Ukraine with long range weapons aren't potentially acts of provocation against nuclear powers? Reverse the roles. American ballon. Mexico getting armed against the US by a foreign superpower and sworn enemy. Would the US tolerate those acts?

> Reverse the roles. American ballon

Ok. American balloon over China will be shot down. You know the rules about air space, water etc?

Sincere advice: don't assume you have insights and knowledge that is deeper than those from the experts. This is a pitfall for us HN'ers.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by exceptione »

ToDougie wrote: post #283
exceptione wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a bit off-topic, but the Biden admin hasn't done anything like that indeed. In fact, nuclear exchange is self-destruction. No one is stupid enough to do that, even Trump wouldn't be. So parent's remark is off. For chips to be blocked going to Germany doesn't thus require a nuclear exchange. You rather should think of smth like military aggression from China towards Taiwan.

Might want to take a peek at a map of Eastern Europe.

Thanks for your suggestion. There are a lot of things I don't know, but this subject is somewhat the exception to that. The US has made no nuclear threats, on the contrary, it has done everything to remind the Kremlin, which was and is threatening all kinds of countries with nuclear blackmail, that doing so is off limits.

I will assume you were unknowingly repeating Kremlin propaganda. Please don't.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by alexnewman »

jupp0r wrote: post #227
dav_Oz wrote: post #178

For those unfamiliar with the region (Saxony, Dresden): A registered association ( e.V. in German) bluntly named "Silicon Saxony e.V." (est. in 2000) with over 450 members headquartered in Dresden pretty much sums up the infrastructure and ambition.[0][1] As pointed out the process TSMC’s 28/22 nanometer planar CMOS and 16/12 nanometer FinFET process technology (fabrication will begin in 2027) is not "cutting edge" b…

Having lived there for a decade, I must point out that you are painting a very one sided picture of the region. It's also a hot spot for Germany's populist right. I've witnessed visiting Indian colleagues of mine being threatened on the street for having dark skin and racist demonstrations are a weekly occurrence. I eventually moved away (among other reasons) because I didn't want my kids to grow up in this environme…

What are countries less racist than the United States or Germany? I've found Canada to be incredibly racist against French Canadians. Casually mocked in the streets. If we did that in the USA you'd lose your job

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by urduntupu »

the_third_wave wrote: post #386
Herring wrote: post #324

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That's not how it works. There can be a lot of good people, but all you need is one in-your-face racist encounter to ruin your decade. It's like how even a rumor of a shark will keep you firmly on the beach.

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Bravo, bravo, bravo. HN still has some open-minded and far-seeing people left. Was almost giving up here, but your comment made me calm down.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by fcsp »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #353
nxobject wrote: post #350

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I'm a little confused -- how do we get from "it takes one homophobic reaction to deeply affect someone", to "if someone is deeply affected by one homophobic reaction from a population, we should be a jerk to the entire population?"

that is exactly the point being made about saxony...

I think the point wasn't that Saxony and Saxons were terrible people in general, but rather that if you're non-white you might get smashed in the face or murdered on the street if you're unlucky, and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany. Which seems fair to me given recent history.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by parl_match »

martin8412 wrote: post #401
parl_match wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eh, modern ECUs, accident compute, etc are doing timing and tuning calculations in real time such that you need something a little more adequate. A 40mhz PowerPC CPU with an FPU, for example. Aside from mandatory ADAS, most cars can definitely get away with "90s tech" but probably not "80s tech"

The 6502 in my argument was meant for something like controlling seats or mirrors. The ECU obviously needs more compute power. That said 6502 was an over exaggeration.

fwiw modern car buses have signing and authentication - using a shared bus significantly lowers car weight and increases reliability, but also introduces security challenges. signing operations are too expensive for a 6502

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by blueflow »

fcsp wrote: post #407
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that is exactly the point being made about saxony...

I think the point wasn't that Saxony and Saxons were terrible people in general, but rather that if you're non-white you might get smashed in the face or murdered on the street if you're unlucky, and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany. Which seems fair to me given recent history.

> and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany

Police data for battery/assault 2019:

https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...

Homicides 2020:

https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb...

Its not keyed up for race-based crimes, but less crime means also less space for race-based crimes.

Wherever this narrative came from, its dishonest. Its in every thread about Silicon Saxony.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by fcsp »

blueflow wrote: post #409
fcsp wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point wasn't that Saxony and Saxons were terrible people in general, but rather that if you're non-white you might get smashed in the face or murdered on the street if you're unlucky, and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany. Which seems fair to me given recent history.

> and the odds of this happening being higher than in other parts of Germany Police data for battery/assault 2019: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Homicides 2020: https://www.bka.de/DE/AktuelleInformationen/StatistikenLageb... Its not keyed up for race-based crimes, but less crime means also less space for race-based crimes. Wherever this narrative came from, its dishonest. Its in ever…

You seem to be on some mission on this thread, maybe you should take a step back and reflect the discussion and arguments.

1. Hate crimes are hugely different from battery/assault, so I'm not sure how your reference adds anything 2. Police data is not a trustworthy source, as police is biased too. Just check some news articles about police refusing to even take in a report about hate crime, where this is more likely to happen, and consider what this means for the stats you're quoting

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