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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by yCombLinks »

marginalia_nu wrote: post #331
gcanyon wrote: post #118

I've been shouting for years how google should know by now, if there is a relevant wikipedia page, it should be at the top of the results -- not number 2 or 3, number 1. Every time. Likewise IMDB (not that I'm fond of the site, if there were an alternative I'd switch in a heartbeat) -- if I search for "bogart bacall" then the top six results should be IMDB and Wikipedia for The Big Sleep, To Have and Have Not, and Ke…

I'm curious, if you're mostly looking for a wikipedia page, why aren't you using wikipedia's search feature?

I always just new tab -> type. Navigating to wikipedia first is a drag.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by unshavedyak »

unshavedyak wrote: post #160
abtinf wrote: post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

Sidenote, i'm a very happy $5-10/m Kagi user. However i also happily pay $20-$30/m for ChatGPT or Phind. I hope one day Kagi consumes some of these shares too (to convert my $30 to Phind into $30 for Kagi). That might sound insane, i'd think so too, but FastGPT[1] is pretty damn good. It's not trying to be Phind, but still, quite surprising to me that it exists.

[1]: https://labs.kagi.com/fastgpt

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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by freeAgent »

smallerfish wrote: post #374
OJFord wrote: post #38

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Similarly, I had no idea about this feature, but I now know I want it... I think I just need it to be cheaper, maybe $5 unlimited (or enough for me, which I think is certainly higher than 300, probably higher than 1000, at least without behaviour change) and I'd be in I assume it's a bit chicken and egg - marginal costs of new customers/extra searches is relatively low, it's the crawling & development/SRE that's expe…

I'm at the $10/mo level, and am totally happy to keep paying. I rely on search throughout the day for my job, and for my personal interests. $10/mo for an ad-free tunable search that provides good results is a completely worth it. And, I'm more than happy to vote with my money to support the web that I want to exist. Otoh (for contrast) I run adblock and sponsorblock on youtube, and if they start blocking traffic fro…

You should install the Kagi browser extension and try out the Summarizer functionality on YouTube videos. I’ve found it pretty useful for videos that are needlessly filled with fluff.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by teddyh »

yCombLinks wrote: post #401
marginalia_nu wrote: post #331

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I'm curious, if you're mostly looking for a wikipedia page, why aren't you using wikipedia's search feature?

I always just new tab -> type. Navigating to wikipedia first is a drag.

I suggest that you change your browser’s default search engine to be Wikipedia.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Brian_K_White »

freediver wrote: post #215
Brian_K_White wrote: post #59

surprised not to see ehow, wikihow, etc

Could be because they do not surface in the results much to begin with.

I guess you're right. I haven't seen them in a while either. But for a while there they would be among the top results for all kinds of searches, and the content itself was always garbage.

But I don't get pinterest very often lately either. Not never but not most of the time either.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by hgsgm »

rchaud wrote: post #195
junon wrote: post #111

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W3 has a bad reputation because, at least a long while ago, it was rife with blatantly false or misleading information.

There's literally working code demos for everything on the site that's front-end or client-side.

Cross-platform demos?

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by throwaway2037 »

zarzavat wrote: post #330
mattmanser wrote: post #285

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It is better than it was, but I'd still much prefer to see the mdn, it's much better.

I can see a certain kind of absolute beginner enjoying w3schools more than MDN, it’s a little less intimidating. When you’re first learning a subject you often want simple lies more than complicated truths.

This is a well written post. I describes me perfectly and my knowledge of HTML/CSS/JS. I usually start with w3schools, then if I need deeper info, I repeat the search with "mdn". That does the trick!

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by throwaway2037 »

pokeymcsnatch wrote: post #131
cabalamat wrote: post #123

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> that's trying to establish an initial niche Which suggests to me that while kagi might be good now, if it gets popular it may undergo enshittification in an effort to monetise its popularity.

It's a paid service and all their competitors are 'free'. Enshittification doesn't fit their business model, they'd go under in a heartbeat.

"Enshittification": God, I love this term. It so perfectly captures what happens to a product when revenues stall and product managers think of anything to drive new revs. See: Microsoft Windows or Microsoft Office.

I was just about to finish this post and ask if anyone knows the history. I Googled that and was surprised by the answer from Wikionary: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/enshittification

    ...[C]oined by Canadian-British blogger, journalist, and science fiction author Cory Doctorow in 2022.
God damn, "Dr." Doctorow again!

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by dcow »

jsnell wrote: post #201
nine_k wrote: post #138

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I think you miss he point. The usefulness of a per-user block list is not fighting outright spam. The statistical filters, etc, as applied by the search engine, work best here, as you correctly state. The point is to remove certain well-known sites with information about well-known topics, which is unhelpful for the particular user , me. That information is technically not spam, but it's on a wrong level, badly prese…

> That information is technically not spam, but it's on a wrong level, badly presented, etc. I'd count that kind of low quality site as spam, and the problem is that there's a basically an infinite supply of them. The boost feature is more interesting in that the curation is at least not a never-ending task. New high quality sites that I know about don't pop up all that often! It's still not an entirely robust featur…

Pintrest is among the top blocked. It clearly doesn't have spam, but it commonly shows up because of it’s vast array of user content. For people not interested in Pinterest content, this is a very useful feature.

NYTimes is another good example, great content for subscribers, essentially useless spam in a search result for non-subscribers. The only person who can configure this is the user.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by throwaway2037 »

esafak wrote: post #235
rchaud wrote: post #193

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Cable TV didn't use to have ads, until somebody figured out you could charge the customer and have other streams of revenue as well. For Kagi, it's a matter of when, not if. Capitalism guarantees it.

No, it does not. They are free to create adjacent products to boost revenue as long as they want without debasing existing ones.

This is a good point. Did Kagi ever consider having a freemium tier that uses adverts to pay for the (search) content? I don't think it is a terrible idea if it helps Kagi to improve their paid search.
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