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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by fknorangesite »

dale_glass wrote: post #226
ramesh31 wrote: post #153

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>So thank you for staying away. And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." HN seems to be the last place on the internet where competing thoughts can exist. It's amazing to me that if moderation is so hard, why dang can do such a good job single-h…

> And this is exactly why Reddit has gone to hell. Mods with that attitude. "I was here first, so therefore I get to unilaterally set the Overton window for all discussion herein. If you don't like it, you're banned." You can always create your own and be the first over there. I agree though that there are some problems with the model, such as a long gone head mod suddenly poking back in and doing something radical,…

> If you don't notice it it's just either because you happen to agree with the status quo by accident, or you got used to it over time.

Exactly. Like with politics, "no moderation" is really just "moderation I agree with."

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Post by mattmaroon »

foresto wrote: post #367
mattmaroon wrote: post #42

I don’t blame them. Reddit owns the subreddits, not redditors. I have no idea why someone would put the time required into moderating a large sub for no money just for Reddit’s benefit in the first place. A Reddit model where the mods share in profits (kind of how YouTube creators do) would be interesting. But if you’re going to sign up for that, you can’t expect Reddit to just let you tank their site. It was never y…

> Reddit owns the subreddits, not redditors. I view a subreddit as a composite of three parts: The authors, the curators, and the host. Reddit, Inc. owns only one of those three, and it's arguably the one that's most easily replaced.

I think it’s the one that’s hardest to replace. There’s no viable competitor. People aren’t going anywhere else.

To large extent, the authors are only authors because the sub is on Reddit. They have the network effect that brings the other two. That’s very hard to replace. You could easily find another person to make up dumb rules and arbitrarily enforce them, which is what they’re doing and we’re discussing. They will succeed.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by lordloki »

LordDragonfang wrote: post #193
ramesh31 wrote: post #118

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>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything . No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit…

>No, I'm not going to sit down and read [...] the rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult [...or] step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now. (pardon the edit, but I don't think it's a misrepresentation of what you said) So in other words, you didn't actually want to participate in the community and the automoderation worked as intend…

>the rules used to curate a specific community

Or ensure group think.

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Post by SanderNL »

seanhunter wrote: post #335
seanhunter wrote: post #306

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No. It would be able to do some of the parts of moderation everyone would find easy, none of the stuff people would find hard and would cost a lot.[1] There are AI-powered companies and tools[2] that help with moderation but nothing that can automate everything that human mods do on any site with a reasonable user community. [1] Source: am responsible for trust and safety including the tech solution and the moderatio…

Don't believe me? OpenAI themselves use a special-purpose model and not an LLM for moderation. https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.03274 If they don't think this is a situation for an LLM, you can probably safely assume it's not.

Oh, I believe you. Thanks for the references.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by haunter »

jedberg wrote: post #107
Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

The /r/science mods are all coming back on Monday, a decision they made a few days ago, before any threats were made. They are worried that if they got replaced, it would be with people who would destroy the community they worked so hard to build. I suspect a lot of communities, especially the smaller ones, feel the same way.

/r/science was already thrash too so biased it hurts, might as well be /r/politics2. Honestly nothing value would be lost with that sub.

Current front page:

>A new study has found that both Christian nationalism and biblical literalism are associated with a greater tendency to believe in conspiracy theories

>Being female, liberal, intellectually humble, and having weak party identification are all positively associated with writing more persuasive political arguments

>When house prices increase, homeowners are likely to strengthen their belief in meritocracy

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by HWR_14 »

SSLy wrote: post #59
SanderNL wrote: post #46

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Wouldn’t a properly prompted LLM be an OK mod?

It would, but spez doesn't have OPEX for the GPU hours it'd require. Both for fine-tuning for per-subreddit rules, and running the model itself.

I don't see why he wouldn't. Top of the line hardware is in the tens-of-thousands of dollars. He should have the OPEX-budget to buy enough cards to distort the market.

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Post by parrellel »

fluidcruft wrote: post #374
ghayes wrote: post #323

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Per another thread, it appears Reddit is rapidly undeleting such posts.

Sounds likely illegal if true.

They definitely undeleted all mine this morning. Waiting to see if they come back again.

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Post by anigbrowl »

EA-3167 wrote: post #174
anigbrowl wrote: post #124

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More seriously, the other day someone spent significant time and effort trying to convince me that the new version of The Wonder Years featuring a black family was anti-white propaganda by The Jews. If he's a reddit user I'm sure he'd love to mod a sub with such a large community.

I feel like the crazies ranting about "white erasure" are making it harder to criticize these race-reboots on the grounds they should be criticized for: laziness. Mediocre products where the selling point is, "we swapped races, give us points," remain mediocre and are unbelievably lazy compared to what we should see... which is new and interesting things with diversity baked in. Unfortunately the hysterical racists a…

Rather than arguing with him about racism I tried explaining the commercial logic behind the decision, pointing out that advertisers would like to reach black consumers and if the original show was popular with a black audience then recycling the successful formula was a safer commercial decision than trying to build a new brand, but he kept going on about his heritage being stolen. I guess this means all the Fred Savage statues will have to come down.

I don't watch television much except for a little bit of news and local weather, but it seems to me there's always about the same number of family-centered sitcoms and dramas set in the present, about one's parents generation (nostalgia aimed at 30 something starting a family) and grandparents or older ancestors (mythmaking, culture reproduction). Sitcoms are like the McRib of television; they generally don't age well but since they come and go as the cast ages out it's easy to get teary-eyed at how great they used to be.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by kimjoaoun »

pixelpoet wrote: post #5

I really hope a decent Reddit replacement shows up soon; my impression is that HN is mostly webdevs, so surely some of y'all are on it?

Me either, but like we saw on every twitter-clone attempted until now, it's really hard to make people move to another platform if the first one still online.
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