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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by vagab0nd »

I said this elsewhere which is relevant:

I firmly believe that in the future, what you say doesn't matter. What matters is what you can prove you've said.

What's the difference between the following two? (a) You say something and someone takes a screenshot of it, and (b) Someone just conjures up a fake screenshot of you saying something. These are indistinguishable. With LLM and SD, these fakes will become easier and easier.

The solution is some crypto that allows you to do two things: (a) Be able to prove that you said something, and (b) later revoke it, such that your prove doesn't work anymore and there's no trace it was ever used.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by [deleted] »

Hendrikto wrote: post #17
fabian2k wrote: post #6

Where does the idea come from that not allowing users to delete content is against the law/GPDR? You have the right to ask for deletion of personal information they store, and even that has certain limits. You don't have the right to force the company to delete content unless they granted you that right via the licence somehow. Whether this is a good or bad idea for a company to do is a different question. But I don'…

> You don't have the right to force the company to delete content [relating to you] In the EU, you definitely do.

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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by kazinator »

I supposedly deleted all my Reddit posts recently. While I don't see anything in my profile post timeline, the posts are still there, if they are accessed by other means, like context links from old inbox messages.

Not only is the post accessible, but when you go from that to the entire Reddit submission, you can clearly see that it's not deleted.

Reddit not only does not have a bona fide implementation of deletion, but has hacks in place to thwart deletions that replace text by random "lorem ipsum" before deleting. These changes affect your post timeline only, not the in-thread originals.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by rtsil »

e12e wrote: post #214
293984j29384 wrote: post #22

I can confirm a comment I made in r/vmware has been restored. I typically delete my comments after 24 hours. I have a single comment from 20 days ago that was previously deleted now back on my profile.

This will be interesting if reddit conducts business (sells ads) in the EU. Hard to see how having such old backups of user content isn't in violation of the GDPR.

GDPR only covers personally identifiable data, which most of these messages are not.

And even if they contain personally identifiable data, the user would need to request the deletion of these ¨PI data from reddit. I am not sure simply deleting your messages yourself counts as requesting the deletion of personal data under GDP.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by DropInIn »

ghglkl wrote: post #119
llm_nerd wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth noting that HN has become a Reddit-refugee outpost so this will probably continue if not get worse. See the other Reddit post (one about Reddit punting mods if they act against the interests of Reddit itself, which has always been true it's worth noting) with 100s of comments, folded into pages and pages of continuations. I mean does anyone honestly seriously believe Reddit purposefully undeleted this guy's com…

> Reddit suspends accounts en mass, and when they do they nuke their entire history of comments on the site. That's not quite true, if an account is permanently suspended, the user page is unavailable for viewing, but the comments still remain in their respective threads. It's only if an account is shadowbanned site-wide that all the comments are automatically removed too. This is intended only for spammer accounts,…

Also affects users who signed up for the wrong VPN provider

Ask me how I know

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by rtsil »

jlpcsl wrote: post #294

Wow wow, Isn't this the violation of the Europen GDPR privacy laws. If you deletd it then they should actually be deleted, otherwise you are violating the laws.

Most of it isn't. GDPR covers only personally identifiable data, not all user-related data. Unless you doxxed yourself in your comment, there's no personally identifiable data in those.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by crazygringo »

randomdata wrote: post #365
crazygringo wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about you, it's about everyone else who might benefit from reading your comment. What are you taking that benefit away from them? Why do you dislike other internet users like that? Also comments don't rot on the internet, nothing is ever "past its prime". Why do you think comments lose value to other people ? In fact, there's quite likely a long tail of future users who would benefit, who are even larger tha…

So long as I am paying for it, it is absolutely about me. I would consider offers to write for others if they see the value, but it is quite apparent that what I write does not actually provide value to others. Which is fine. I'm happy to leave that work to the professionals. Why do you feel entitled to the work I have paid for? It is one thing if I generously offer it to you, but to expect it?

Reddit is free, you don't need to pay to write comments. You're not paying for anything. And whether future users find value is up to them to decide, not you. You can't read their minds.

And you're going out of your way to delete something you already wrote. That's extra work for you. Why do you hate the future users who might find value?

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by nomilk »

vagab0nd wrote: post #401

I said this elsewhere which is relevant: I firmly believe that in the future, what you say doesn't matter. What matters is what you can prove you've said. What's the difference between the following two? (a) You say something and someone takes a screenshot of it, and (b) Someone just conjures up a fake screenshot of you saying something. These are indistinguishable. With LLM and SD, these fakes will become easier and…

I think the problem here is that content that the user expected to be deleted from Reddit's databases is popping up in public forums. Not to downplay it but the problem you mention is the inverse of the current issue.

Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments

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Post by orev »

Maximus9000 wrote: post #272
bunga-bunga wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don’t you just use throwaways? I stopped reusing usernames online long long ago.

The trouble with throw away accounts is that there is technology to link the accounts by comparing your writing style to other accounts. Hacker news had a good demonstration of that awhile back. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33755016

That would apply equally to using different usernames on each site, so not really relevant to the point being made here.
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