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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Yeah, definitely better to just blindly click through a ToS on some private corporate social media service...

> definitely better to blindly click through a ToS on some private corporate social media service Philosophically, no. Practically, yes. Because it actually delivers the product. Creating an ideological and technical filter at the mouth of the funnel is absurd. This is heading straight for either Reddit getting its act together or one of Facebook, Twitter or Substack taking the prize. Because they spent two seconds t…

> Creating an ideological and technical filter at the mouth of the funnel is absurd.

So then just pick a large, popular instance and be done with it. You've already made it clear you don't care what the platform's policies are, so why are you pretending this is a barrier?

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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post #133

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Who pays the moderators of all the major subreddits?

The mod workload on fediverse is in addition to, and magnifies, the operational cost of running the servers. Put aside moderation then, I don't see how decentralized independent servers scale if "free", whereas centralized cos has VC and ad money to achieve this

The operational cost of growing marijuana, even indoors with pretty high-powered lights, is actually extremely low. You can make it expensive buying fancy nutrients and gimmicky hydro systems but when I was growing for the black market before legalization, me and every other grower I knew (we were legion) poured reasonably-priced nutrients into cheap pots under cheap lights and grew dank buds ferda.

Now (here in Canada anyways), a few giant corporations, in theory, do all the growing for the legit market, and need to handle a lot of large-scale problems, like big central grow ops requiring 1.21jigawatts instead of a bunch of houses using a bit of extra hydro each, security, pilferage, all the big problems of scale. These are problems of growing at scale, though, not problems inherent to growing weed.

We didn't have the problems of scale as a community of indepdendent growers. We had other problems: cops, filtering the smell so as to be good neighbours, larger ops had to deal with moisture, the reputation brought on by low-rent gangster scumbags who rent houses, setup and then threaten the landlord. We had the problems of an unregulated market, and the quality of our product as well as knowing a dealer determined our success, but basically anyone with basic competence and the ability to keep their mouths shut (ie. the barest of street smarts) could make an okay living back then.

I would say that Silo/Fedi is going to have a similar dynamic, minus the cops. Moderation happens by volunteers because people want to have a voice in determining what rules make the most sense for the communities they participate in, it's a non-issue in either world. Smaller instances will have smaller moderation loads, larger instances will either get supported by their users (money, work, whichever) or break up, or whatever, but it's going to settle into a congenial equilibrium in which the community of operators and users all look out for each other. We have seen the alternative, and we do not care for it, so we are going to put in the effort.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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As it happens, another big server, Beehaw, just defederated lemmy.world today. So drama has already begun. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

That’s kind of part of the model. Governance is up to individual instances/communities rather than one faceless megacorp. It’s a feature not a bug.

Yes, and what I don't think you're hearing is that Joe Blow consumer doesn't care who is in charge of governance. They care that it's easy to use.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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post #267

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I don't know if many people can answer this question, bc nearly all folks I've seen using old. also use adblock so we don't see them anyway :P

This whole Adblock thing is gonna come to a head with the modern “economic headwinds” I think. Like, how did people think it was gonna work out…? YouTube and Reddit would just keep going forever with some sizable percentage of their user base earning them 0 money? we either need to start paying for stuff instead of the bullshit invasive Display Ads model (half measure), accept the death of Adblock (I imagine I’ll get…

You could have written this comment about tape decks, CD ripping or Napster. In the end, what's technically possible always wins. As long as adblockers are technically feasible they will continue.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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> have inadvertently blocked federation I assume the Enterprise is on its way to resolve the issue diplomatically

Important clarifying question: Kirk or Picard?

Janeway.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Federated services will never become mainstream. This is just the reality that people need to come to accept. I find them heavily talked about in circles with my colleagues and in my profession but the attraction of decentralized services just isn't there for the vast majority of people. I find Lemmy frustrating to use and it isn't just growing pains: it's the same reason I find Mastodon frustrating. Do I care if use…

Centralization works. It's convenient. It doesn't require a user guide. It's approachable for laypersons. It works until it doesn’t: when the host of a centralized community decides to make enemies with its users. This is an old story for many people who went through the Digg to Reddit migration. Now people have had enough. Our communities are too important to leave in the hands of one company. It’s time for all the…

> It works until it doesn’t: when the host of a centralized community decides to make enemies with its users.

And yet in spite of this very thing happening, Lemmy and Mastodon remain largely unadopted.

Diaspora* existed during the Digg implosion and where did people flock to? No, not the decentralized Fediverse, but to another centralized service. Because it meets their needs. Their needs from a product _aren't_ that it be decentralized. Their needs are that it is easily accessible, that information is easily indexed and searchable, that interacting with users is obvious and transparent, etc.

These are all needs that Fediverse products have not met well because they're too focused on their agenda and their ideology, not their product.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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I was really skeptical of lemmy [1] when I first heard about it during the blackout. I joined yesterday and it completely changed my mind. Yes, it is going to face some growing pains (see the total user growth in the past few days) [2] in the coming weeks and months but it really has the potential to replace Reddit with a federated system of communities. One that won't be damaged by investors or executives attempting…

Lemmy is a good idea with a terrible name and a misunderstanding of the experience users look for, much like mastodon. For example, I will never join any of these services but I will browse r/All, many lurkers drive traffic and reddit would be almost nothing without r/All which I can't figure out if lemmy has.

Exactly, someone with more time than me please create a nice looking, lurker friendly, read-only aggregator with all the different content in all the different servers/communities. Ideally merging submissions and comments when possible. You would have me immediately as a user and I bet I wouldn’t be the only one.

It’s so obvious that I guess someone must have done it and I just haven’t heard about it yet.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

#409

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Yeah, definitely better to just blindly click through a ToS on some private corporate social media service...

> definitely better to blindly click through a ToS on some private corporate social media service Philosophically, no. Practically, yes. Because it actually delivers the product. Creating an ideological and technical filter at the mouth of the funnel is absurd. This is heading straight for either Reddit getting its act together or one of Facebook, Twitter or Substack taking the prize. Because they spent two seconds t…

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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

#410

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Federated services will never become mainstream. This is just the reality that people need to come to accept. I find them heavily talked about in circles with my colleagues and in my profession but the attraction of decentralized services just isn't there for the vast majority of people. I find Lemmy frustrating to use and it isn't just growing pains: it's the same reason I find Mastodon frustrating. Do I care if use…

Centralization works. It's convenient. It doesn't require a user guide. It's approachable for laypersons. It works until it doesn’t: when the host of a centralized community decides to make enemies with its users. This is an old story for many people who went through the Digg to Reddit migration. Now people have had enough. Our communities are too important to leave in the hands of one company. It’s time for all the…

Some people have had enough. People are still using Reddit despite the blackouts. We'll see how much mass migration there is. Even if Reddit goes the route of Digg, how do you know another centralized site won't take it's place?
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