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First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by claytongulick »

rnk wrote: post #382
claytongulick wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The south". Like it's all one thing. You know, that big geographic area that's much larger than most countries in the world, with a population at least as diverse. The most racist place I ever lived was about 30 mins from Philadelphia. Grew up there, and there were literally burning crosses in people's yards and race riots in my high school. I've lived in "the south" now for almost 20 years and never encountered eve…

When I was a kid in the south my barber constantly talked about the problems of black people and that he saw crosses being burned and that he didn't want his daughter to like black boys. I'm not making this up! They literally burned crosses in the town I grew up in.

Looks like you found a racist dude in one of the over 128 million people that live in the south.

I'm sure you could find some more if you look.

It's over 38% of the county's population, and by far the most populous region of the U.S. [1].

You can find racism anywhere. Mostly in very small percentages, mostly in uneducated populations, and not restricted to any particular ethnicity.

[1]https://www.census.gov/popclock/data_tables.php?component=gr...

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by mullingitover »

lamontcg wrote: post #280
taeric wrote: post #273

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Honestly, odds are high I did have an early covid case. Was like an asthma attack with a few nights of fever. And I had every symptom. (Though, my understanding is loss of smell came and went as symptoms? I can't remember what the final call on that was.) I never got a confirmed test, as they weren't testing then. Mostly irrelevant, as I don't think it would change anything else. Keep your distance and try not to get…

My understanding is that the loss of smell from early COVID tends to be fairly profound. It makes food disgusting. You can burn food on the stove and not smell it even after the fire alarm goes off. And it recovers slowly. It isn't like the usual changes in taste/smell during an infection which are mostly due to the symptoms of rhinitis and clear up when they clear up.

An article from the journal Lung[1] points out that Post-Viral Anosmia isn't exclusive to Covid[1]. It occurred with other viral infections, which is why you can have someone with a bunch of seemingly Covid-like symptoms but not have Covid. There's also this lit review[2] showing that destruction of the olfactory epithelium can occur in Parainfluenza virus, Human Coronavirus, and Rhinovirus.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8067782/

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7236684/

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by fsckboy »

nancyhn wrote: post #386
kornhole wrote: post #298

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Or it could do the opposite. Both Taibbi and Shellenberger are independent investigative journalists with no party loyalties. Their funding comes directly from readers rather than corporations or billionaire owned outlets. They can make a few mistakes from time to time but own up to them. Their opinions are their own, but they rarely report anything not factual.

It's weird how many smart people still haven't realized they are being lied to by the legacy media and establishment figures. Even after repeatedly discrediting themselves. Taibbi and Shellenberger aren't perfect either, but they are more reliable and honest. Taibbi is still the investigative journalist he's always been.

I think it's a case of not noticing because they agree with the directionality of the MSM's opinions, so it doesn't stick out to them.

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Post by the_arcadian »

nancyhn wrote: post #386
kornhole wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it could do the opposite. Both Taibbi and Shellenberger are independent investigative journalists with no party loyalties. Their funding comes directly from readers rather than corporations or billionaire owned outlets. They can make a few mistakes from time to time but own up to them. Their opinions are their own, but they rarely report anything not factual.

It's weird how many smart people still haven't realized they are being lied to by the legacy media and establishment figures. Even after repeatedly discrediting themselves. Taibbi and Shellenberger aren't perfect either, but they are more reliable and honest. Taibbi is still the investigative journalist he's always been.

They say it is always easier to con intelligent people, because they don't think they are capable of being fooled.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by [deleted] »

peteradio wrote: post #392
jjulius wrote: post #341

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They are replying directly to a tangential comment that someone else made. It might not be relevant to this overall thread, but it's relevant to this particular comment chain.

Did any of the 3 researchers in question have something that would make them more likely to get seriously ill?

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Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by dirtyid »

euix wrote: post #139

I am really interested in the social-political dimension of this. Was the initial hypothesis of a lab leak suppressed during the initial part of the pandemic primarily due to Western government's fear of a diplomatic breakdown (like Russia) with China? The economies are far more interdependent than compared to Russia and there is a far more economically important Chinese diaspora in the West. What would it take to ge…

What would it take to get a honest investgation within US? The fundemental issue is why would PRC entertain US lab leak propaganda narrative? Let alone submit to basically weapons inspection tier scrutiny that no sane sovereign would permit. Keep in mind "lab leak" hypothesis was conjectured by PRC netizens along with US Fort Detrick lab influenza and Wuhan military games conspiracy theories. Obviously US politicians and "intelligence" would conveniently converge on the theory that looks bad for PRC. Is US going to cooperate to address the other PRC conspiracy theories and let WHO investigate USAMRIID? The realistic answer is covid will become distant memory and origin will be relegated to conjecture based on domestic politics.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by jjulius »

peteradio wrote: post #392
jjulius wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are replying directly to a tangential comment that someone else made. It might not be relevant to this overall thread, but it's relevant to this particular comment chain.

Did any of the 3 researchers in question have something that would make them more likely to get seriously ill?

Doesn't really matter in the context of this tangential chain. Not sure why you're asking me as I haven't even discussed that.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by rnk »

claytongulick wrote: post #401
rnk wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a kid in the south my barber constantly talked about the problems of black people and that he saw crosses being burned and that he didn't want his daughter to like black boys. I'm not making this up! They literally burned crosses in the town I grew up in.

Looks like you found a racist dude in one of the over 128 million people that live in the south. I'm sure you could find some more if you look. It's over 38% of the county's population, and by far the most populous region of the U.S. [1]. You can find racism anywhere. Mostly in very small percentages, mostly in uneducated populations, and not restricted to any particular ethnicity. [1] https://www.census.gov/popclock…

In my very first comment I said that not all people are like that. Yet sadly, to this day, I constantly do meet people making casual racist comments when I go to the south. And when I say the south, I include the state where I was born which is one of the states that fought against the US government in the civil war.

Not all people are like that but there is an issue that a lot of people are like that.

Re: First people sickened by Covid-19 were scientists at WIV: US government sources

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Post by archagon »

nancyhn wrote: post #386
kornhole wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it could do the opposite. Both Taibbi and Shellenberger are independent investigative journalists with no party loyalties. Their funding comes directly from readers rather than corporations or billionaire owned outlets. They can make a few mistakes from time to time but own up to them. Their opinions are their own, but they rarely report anything not factual.

It's weird how many smart people still haven't realized they are being lied to by the legacy media and establishment figures. Even after repeatedly discrediting themselves. Taibbi and Shellenberger aren't perfect either, but they are more reliable and honest. Taibbi is still the investigative journalist he's always been.

Step one is realizing that the establishment lies to you.

Step two is recognizing that the other guys are more than happy to lie to you too, or lie to themselves, and have an even easier time of it due to lack of vetting.

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