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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mentalpiracy »

pmoriarty wrote: post #379
_Donny wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Personally, I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server. Also, sometimes the server would not let go of my disconnected nickname, so I would g…

"I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server." This far been a solved problem for 30 years. You just run an IRC bouncer on a host that's always up (like on…

“solved problem” for 0.01% of use cases is not how I would normally define the phrase.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mitchell209 »

dopidopHN wrote: post #387
mitchell209 wrote: post #341

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People started this blackout without any alternatives. Twitter users had Instagram, Facebook (even though that’s a worse shitshow and IG is owned by Meta), tiktok, Mastodon, and probably a couple others I’m forgetting. There’s nothing equivalent to reddit with half as much daily activity as even the worst Twitter-alternative, so they’d never catch on. People append “reddit” to google searches now, that’s how integral…

I knew about lemmy before hands, and I got « pitched » at least 6 or 7 Reddit alternative yesterday. All are sad empty forum but well. That’s what it is.

I had to dig around to find a few names and I had 0 idea what those were when people were dropping them as seemingly viable alternatives. If you decentralize, you don’t get any users who are able to be monetized, and if you centralize it, you’ll end up with another reddit API situation in half a decade when people get greedy or stupid.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #40
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #20

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Polls were held in many subreddits; if a subreddit is the community - which it is - then the will of the participants is the will of the community and those who communicate it.

I think that such polls tend to vastly over-represent the small subsets of those communities who care enough about the issue to vote. Voting is very rare in subreddits so I imagine that probably most users of those subreddits did not even realize that the votes were happening. And knowing how authoritarian Reddit mods usually are, I doubt very much that for the most part they would not have done whatever they wanted…

The people who care are the kind of people who make the community.

The community is the content and those who post it, aka the core that ties everything everything together.

Lurkers are not part of the community, they might as well not even exist.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by chipsa »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #389
chipsa wrote: post #378

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For regular forums, you need the IP address for helping to protect against SPAM and making sure banned users stay banned. Analytics can help see if you're having issues with the server, or if someone is putting unnecessary load (client-side analytics staying flat, but server-side rapidly increasing, or similar).

Or you can just rely on manually approving all of the new accounts. It's not like you need to cater to the bunch of new users that have an inmediate need to post _today_ and just cannot wait 1 week for a mod to approve their initial posts. Collecting IP address will not reduce the need for manual moderation, nor even reduce bot spam... (I do admin a topic-specialized technical web forum which has been running for ove…

You have a problem user, named Aragorn. You ban him. Two months later, he makes a new account named Estel. How do you associate his new account with his old account, so you know not to approve it? I've done moderating of an phpBB forum and having the IP address and being able to see who else was posting from that IP address was helpful (because you can look at the writing style and decide they're doing ban evasion).

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by spatulon »

jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

Does it really have 2000 employees? I remember when they were owned by Conde Nast and had something like 5-10 people. I know they have a lot more users now, and have added features like image and photo hosting, but to go from that to 2000 employees is quite the blowup.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

chipsa wrote: post #404
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you can just rely on manually approving all of the new accounts. It's not like you need to cater to the bunch of new users that have an inmediate need to post _today_ and just cannot wait 1 week for a mod to approve their initial posts. Collecting IP address will not reduce the need for manual moderation, nor even reduce bot spam... (I do admin a topic-specialized technical web forum which has been running for ove…

You have a problem user, named Aragorn. You ban him. Two months later, he makes a new account named Estel. How do you associate his new account with his old account, so you know not to approve it? I've done moderating of an phpBB forum and having the IP address and being able to see who else was posting from that IP address was helpful (because you can look at the writing style and decide they're doing ban evasion).

First, for at least this past decade, I have found it impossible that the same user will keep the same IP address for over two months. Storing the IP address _does not help at all_.

Second, the new user is subject to approval and all his messages are moderated until a couple of posts. If he starts posting decent material, why would you care he was banned 2 months ago -- are you really that punitative? And if he just posts decent, insightful material for his 5 messages, gets approved and then descends back immediately into trolling, well, at least it's been a couple of months and then the couple of weeks he was under moderation of total silence, plus you have gained whatever contributions he made under moderation. I am yet to see a troll that will repeat this process (which requires insightful contributions in-between each iteration of trolling) for more than a year. That's way less moderating effort that it takes to handle new users at all...

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by activiation »

nickstinemates wrote: post #137
silisili wrote: post #19

Honestly, I'm enjoying it. Most of my smaller subs are active. A couple of the bigger ones I'm subbed to are active without moderation, and people are saying they enjoy it more. What I'm not seeing are all the bad news headlines, political gotchas, and click bait that make me frustrated. I've just realized I should have unsubbed to most of these places a long time ago.

Would be amazing to see /r/news, /r/worldnews, /r/politics, et all, active without moderation.

/r/politics would definitely benefit from it

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by didntcheck »

pmoriarty wrote: post #379
_Donny wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Personally, I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server. Also, sometimes the server would not let go of my disconnected nickname, so I would g…

"I find IRC incredible frustrating exactly because I can't easily see the history and continue conversations. I usually connect to IRC channels through a browser client or a desktop app, but all too often, my browser would lose the connection or my computer would go to sleep, disconnecting me from the server." This far been a solved problem for 30 years. You just run an IRC bouncer on a host that's always up (like on…

Every user needing a server to run a caching daemon 24/7 is not even within the bounds of "solved" for me. I acknowledge it "works", and have used it myself for years, but it's like saying "of course the local newspaper has archives! We all just hire our own PAs to buy and store a copy every day!"

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by jerojero »

bibabaloo wrote: post #357
Xelbair wrote: post #345

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Honestly looking for information about hobbies is horrible nowadays. It's all first and foremost subreddit, which has mostly memes and no info except maybe a sticky, THEN you find a discord link there, and finally all the knowledge is organized in google docs spreadsheet, that's in some random pinned post in some weirdly named channel. I miss the days of the forum and wikis, it was vastly easier to search and lurk. a…

What sort of hobbies are you talking about specifically? Not to doubt you, but I must have very different hobbies because I've never experienced something like this

This is a big problem in the origami community. The forums have died and have been replaced with discord, it's become pretty inaccessible so I imagine it's the same for other niche hobbies.
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