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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by djbusby »

Physkal wrote: post #396
ttctciyf wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it still being up Must have gone dark in the last two hours, I guess. Clicking on your "context" link gets me: > The moderators of r/programming have set this community to private. Only approved members can view and take part in its discussions. The GPT astroturf fail seems like a worthy story in itself, if it could be stood up - amazing!

All major subreddits are protesting Reddit on jun 12 by going private.

Not all. Last I looked it was >50% of the top 200 (and like 3000 total)

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by wsabihi »

stavros wrote: post #272
matsemann wrote: post #102

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Or they can continue their failed attempts at using chatgpt to astroturf a counter-movement, lol: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg Edit, some context: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/146wn9s/commen... (spez / reddit ceo is a mod on r/programming, hence it still being up)

I don't know what happened with r/programming (I couldn't find the mod channel), but I just took it private, assuming the other mods just forgot about it. Then again, it's spez's subreddit, so maybe he wants it public (in which case he can just flip it back).

Could you please update the message to "This subreddit is temporarily private as part of a joint protest to Reddit's recent API changes, which breaks third-party apps and moderation tools, effectively forcing users to use the official Reddit app." to raise awareness for the reason you took it private? That would be really helpful!

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by darreninthenet »

sclarisse wrote: post #378
jtode wrote: post #335

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People keep talking about having the option to take your content and move as though freedom was a prison. Likewise, the fact that there is a community of instances that have made the choice to have a pleasant space, free of troll farms spewing endless abuse, and are taking that seriously, really seems to have upset a lot of people around here. You can't get the_donald on Reddit either, because fascists make a room st…

I understood the previous remarks as suggesting problem isn’t strictly defederating the-underscore-Donald. It’s that defederation is an incredibly blunt tool, but one of the few tools available, and so you end up with some pretty obnoxious schisms.

That's exactly what I meant, thank you.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used a Trump related fake example but it could be as simple as cutting off a peer because the mod is a vegan and wants to cut off meat recipes (and cuts off the best and most populated soccer community at the same time)

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by popularrecluse »

markdown wrote: post #379

I don't understand any of this at all. Do most Americans really believe they're entitled to free access to Reddit? I've spent years of my life on reddit, and enjoyed most of it. For that, I'm truly grateful to spez and all the others that make it work. I 100% support them charging for the service over injecting ever more ads. It's bizarre to me that folk are getting upset and abusive because reddit wants to charge pa…

It's a glorified bulletin board. The users are the content. The party can move somewhere else.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by jtode »

darreninthenet wrote: post #403
sclarisse wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understood the previous remarks as suggesting problem isn’t strictly defederating the-underscore-Donald. It’s that defederation is an incredibly blunt tool, but one of the few tools available, and so you end up with some pretty obnoxious schisms.

That's exactly what I meant, thank you. Perhaps I shouldn't have used a Trump related fake example but it could be as simple as cutting off a peer because the mod is a vegan and wants to cut off meat recipes (and cuts off the best and most populated soccer community at the same time)

Has that happened, or is that just a scenario? Cause I'd be very interested to see if vegans actually can cut out meat from mainstream mastodon.

I confess that I'm vegan-adjacent, I eat meat whenever it's put in front of me but my wife is vegan so I never have meat put in front of me and I don't miss it, but if vegans can actually create a major ideological schism in the greater federation over their specific issue, I will see that as a problem and pretty much agree that the fediverse is a fail.

That said, it's a better fail than previous fails, so the way forward is not back to the platforms regardless.

But I think the vegans are going to settle for having the right to exist like everyone else, and there are definitely already lots of radical instances I'm sure. But can they make all of mastodon ban pictures burgers on a grill?

Let's find out, actually. The experiment is already in motion.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by rowanG077 »

eastern wrote: post #93
blitzar wrote: post #50

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If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand that its over. This week is critical to save your personal narrative. No matter what really happened; always tell people you are the person who invented the like button at facebook, not the one who decided to band porn on tumblr.

If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, ignore every carping user and stay laser-focused on that IPO. Being well-liked and poor is waaay worse than being rich and hated. Stay strong

You know what's even worse? Being poor and hated.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by darreninthenet »

jtode wrote: post #405
darreninthenet wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I meant, thank you. Perhaps I shouldn't have used a Trump related fake example but it could be as simple as cutting off a peer because the mod is a vegan and wants to cut off meat recipes (and cuts off the best and most populated soccer community at the same time)

Has that happened, or is that just a scenario? Cause I'd be very interested to see if vegans actually can cut out meat from mainstream mastodon. I confess that I'm vegan-adjacent, I eat meat whenever it's put in front of me but my wife is vegan so I never have meat put in front of me and I don't miss it, but if vegans can actually create a major ideological schism in the greater federation over their specific issue,…

No it's a scenario, as far as I'm aware anyway.

Ignoring the specific example used to make my point, my point was how do you avoid the problem? If PopularInstanceA decides to cut off PopularInstanceB for "reasons" you have fragmented a community with users on both instances going to be unhappy... yes they could all move and suddenly MarginalnstanceC becomes PopularInstanceC as it federates both A and B but users will get lost along the way, most will only tolerate this kind of instance changing crap once and even then how do you stop A cutting off C because they are federating B?

Yes I agree it's all just hypothetical but we're relying on the goodwill of probably unpaid enthusiast server owners to keep the Fediverse stable and that feels like a house of cards to me

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by [deleted] »

goykasi wrote: post #310
unglaublich wrote: post #260

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Nope. They'll just outsource this to underpaid contractors like Facebook does.

Even better, if they could leverage LLMs, they could maybe automate a large part of the initial moderation. They have already acknowledged that these models were likely trained on their data. Why not feed new posts back into it and determine about relevance (on vs off topic), attitude (compassion vs hate) or quality (written by a bot)?

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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by calmlynarczyk »

netsharc wrote: post #44
brokenkebaby wrote: post #5

And what exactly is user-hostile there? It doesn't look beautiful to my tastes, but functionally nothing is particularly complicated to understand.

I had to check what the previous design looked like: http://web.archive.org/web/20060223114105/http://www.fark.co... I guess the new (current since 2007) design has a lot more whitespace, although not as bad as now "mobile-first" designs of the last 5 or so years. On the topic of mobile, the current fark.com doesn't have a phone-friendly design.

Seeing the original site design, which is considered "superior" by its users to the new one, makes me feel very out-of-touch with what many others consider good user experience design.

I find the original design hard to use. The post text is very small. There is no max width to the main content, which makes it difficult to keep track of where you are when text spans multiple lines. The links are on the far-side of the page from the posts/comments they relate to, without any horizontal spacing indicators, so it's very difficult to tell what lines up with what.

The only thing I like less in the redesign is that the sidebar sections are intermixed with banner ads, which makes them hard to find and get to. But overall, I found the new design a big improvement to the old one, which judging by the responses to this and the linked post, puts me in a small minority.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

boc wrote: post #12

I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

> If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand that you’re playing with fire here. This week is critical to saving your platform.

They understand. They know, but it seems they're not budging. And it's because of money; if Reddit goes public, they and all investors will instantly become multi-millionaires; if the site then goes to shit, they won't care anymore.

But they pulled this too early, and it'll affect the IPO, even whether it'll go through or not.

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