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Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by losvedir »

kramerger wrote: post #161
chaostheory wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ended that way too early. There is so much good content to write about now. I know it’s hard to transition, but do you really need (near) the full cast still?

Don't know. The last 1-2 seasons started to get boring as the writers ran out of ideas.

The last season was my favorite. I was amazed how well it captured the AGI vibes in my corner of Silicon Valley at the time. These days I think most people would easily recognize OpenAI and GPT, but it was filmed 5 years ago!

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by ForHackernews »

jojobas wrote: post #356
motoxpro wrote: post #317

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You're missing why this would be important. It's cool for investors because the black user base draws in a bunch of other people along with them. It's also not about people saying "omg black people, I must be there!" Culturally, historically, in the USA, black culture has set a bunch of trends. See NBA, NFL, hip-hop/music, comedians, dance, etc. Same as when a "cool" person goes anywhere, you don't monetize them, you…

You're basically saying black people are over-represented in money-garnering trends, a bold statement to back up just by anecdata.

Do we need a citation that oil is a valuable commodity? Or that the internet has been useful for commerce?

I think it's self-evident that hip hop is at least a trillion dollar phenomenon and that it started with black folks in the United States.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by matkoniecz »

mandmandam wrote: post #388
matkoniecz wrote: post #140

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Your claim that currently noone posts on Reddit and moderates Reddit is wrong and they were purged is wrong.

OP didn't claim that. You're giving a very uncharitable reading of the argument. Fact is, the best people on Reddit have been leaving for many years. There have been many purges, of many scales. The fact you didn't hear about them helps demonstrate OPs point (their actual point, not the one you put in their mouth). And those purges are just one thread in a long tapestry of disrespect towards moderators and users of t…

They claimed that "The people who do the real contributing—posting, modding, defining the culture and building the communities that Reddit benefits" were driven off ("these people have been purged already over the past 2-3 years.")

Only some small groups were actually driven off.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by VHRanger »

timbre1234 wrote: post #359
c7b wrote: post #357

There's something that I don't get about forcing mobile browser users into mobile apps - how does it make sense for the company? They're forcing themselves into a walled garden, where the gardener takes a hefty "app store tax" on your revenues and has countless levers to force you to style the app how it suits their interests, not yours. For some apps, this might still be the best way to gain traction. But if have al…

It's 100% about being able to stop adblockers

On mobile?

Apart from a few geeks using firefox on android, mobile browsers generally dont hinder ads

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by Zak »

cshimmin wrote: post #373
enkid wrote: post #358

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Because you can get more data to sell through an app.

And it's harder to block ads/sponsored content. And they can send annoying push notifications that lots of people don't know how to disable. Dark patterns all the way down.

I tried to official app recently, and while I did figure out how to remove ads using ReVanced, I don't think I managed to get the notifications I wanted (replies) without notifications I didn't want.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by wahnfrieden »

hayst4ck wrote: post #219
_zzaw wrote: post #3

There is only one appropriate, effective response to disrespect, and that is to not reward the offending party. I made it a matter of principle to not use the Reddit app. Even if they removed all ads and made it an acceptable user experience, I'll never use the app as long as they are harassing me about it. It's simple. Don't reward bad behavior. Sometimes, denying obnoxious people something they want means denying y…

> It's simple. Don't reward bad behavior. This is mathematically backed. In the game of prisoners dilemma if someone chooses to defect (bad behavior) rather than cooperate, and you choose to cooperate (reward bad behavior), bad behavior becomes a winning strategy, so you can expect even more bad behavior in the future.

And if there are millions of users vs one company? The lifestyle choice of individuals won't matter without coordination

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by hoorayimhelping »

nonethewiser wrote: post #368
GabeIsko wrote: post #257

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This just seems to be the strategy they teach at business school, and it never works. I remember in the 2000s, all these mmos were popping up saying they were the "WoW killer". Um, no, people who play WoW already play WoW, and you are really trying to convince everyone who doesn't want to play WoW to play a game that is designed to be very similar. It never made any sense. But I guess if you are a business exec, and…

> Um, no, people who play WoW already play WoW, and you are really trying to convince everyone who doesn't want to play WoW to play a game that is designed to be very similar. Is that really the goal though? You can have a successful MMO without killing wow. Warhammer Online, Guild Wars 2, etc. were all great games from the business perspective.

>Warhammer Online, Guild Wars 2, etc. were all great games from the business perspective.

OP said:

>all these mmos were popping up saying they were the "WoW killer"

Guild Wars and WHO weren't positioned as WoW killers. They were positioned as WoW alternatives that prioritized or PvP or had an endgame that revolved around PvP. Which is probably why they did well - they offered something that WoW wasn't good at instead of trying to eat WoW's lunch.

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by bandrami »

scrollaway wrote: post #336
bandrami wrote: post #334

I have never understood why Reddit cares so much about getting me on the app. What advertising/tracking does it offer them that the browser doesn't?

It offers a little more stickiness, among other things.

In that it tries and fails to preview links in the app's crap internal web engine? Surely people don't actually use that?

Re: Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?

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Post by baq »

veidr wrote: post #399
c7b wrote: post #357

There's something that I don't get about forcing mobile browser users into mobile apps - how does it make sense for the company? They're forcing themselves into a walled garden, where the gardener takes a hefty "app store tax" on your revenues and has countless levers to force you to style the app how it suits their interests, not yours. For some apps, this might still be the best way to gain traction. But if have al…

The web puts the user in control; apps (on all significant platforms currently existing) put the company in control. Yes, Google and (especially) Apple may force Reddit to comply with this or that, but Google and (especially) Apple also prevent the user from doing all sorts of things they can do with an open platform like the web. Users can't block ads in an app. Users can't block telemetry. Users can't prevent track…

This, this and exactly this.

Their finance team probably made a projection that if they can get X% of current mobile web users onto the app, they’ll be able to extract Y% more total revenue. They have no idea that they should split users into contributors and lurkers and even if they had, they have absolutely no idea how to model their value, so they don’t, the board sees the numbers and tells them ‘ASAP’ and that’s how you kill social networks, because the financial model is based on false assumptions.

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