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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

madeofpalk wrote: post #262
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

> Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Can you build apps on it?

The WWDC demos suggested that it would be a full development device, and it has the same M2 processor as the M2 Macbook. It is basically a Macbook in a different form factor and with a bunch of extra sensors.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

dandellion wrote: post #338
akmarinov wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say you don’t expect anything groundbreaking and then compare it with arguably the most groundbreaking product ever

If you make a list of groundbreaking products that would include the light bulb, the bicycle, the refrigerator, the radio, the car, printed books, the newspaper, the TV, personal computers, mobile phones... The iPhone is great, but I doubt it could even make it to the top ten.

This is what Apple really sells. I read parent's comment and was sorta nodding along, and then read yours and realized 1) it's kind of a ludicrous statement, and 2) it sounded reasonable to me.

Marketing works.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by dorkwood »

treprinum wrote: post #276

All these optimistic articles without showing a single AR application - is Apple allowing access to devices only to pre-vetted publishers that would never criticize their products? 4k per eye sounds good but if it's only used for displaying 2D stuff it's kinda pointless as the resolution is still too low for that and the GPU is too weak for 3D stuff at that resolution (that would need like a minimized 5090 to make it…

They showed an AR application. It was dragging a 3D object from iMessage onto the desk in front of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENtxJcI5Ll4&t=1088s

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

snarfy wrote: post #381

They mention 12ms, which is 83.3fps. It's a bit too slow for my tastes at $3500 price tag. It might be good for more stationary images, but anything moving will have ghosting/stutter. I'll wait for gen2/3. Still, I'm very happy there is new competition in this field.

My understanding is that the latency is 12ms, but that's orthogonal to the framerate. You could be updating at 240fps (doubtful, admittedly), but those frames are 12ms delayed from what's entering the camera.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by adamsmith143 »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Isn't the actual killer app for Advertisers? "Glue this thing to peoples faces and you now have the most effective most intrusive way to slam ads in front of people ever created!" Don't see why any consumer would buy this for 3500 though.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by adamsmith143 »

andybak wrote: post #391
alach11 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The killer app for smartphones is being a phone.

If you mean voice calls then I disagree. They seem to becoming less important every year.

What percentage of people worldwide use smartphones with no voice service at all? Including voip.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by JediWing »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #364
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

Counterpoint, there's always been a desire to have a virtual environment as first shown in 80's sci-fi films like Hackers, Johnny Mnemonic, etc; immerse yourself in a system, have it become like a natural extension of yourself. There was someone on here some time ago who showed and talked about his setup, he had been doing his job as a software developer reclined in VR for years at that point. Here's the thing though…

The smartphone had multiple killer apps: web browsing, maps when you needed them most instead of having to print MapQuest directions, and device consolidation (iPod, cell phone, GPS, and web browser all in one!)

The touch interface elegantly solved the problem of not having a full keyboard and mouse.

The ultimate vision for these headsets is not yet realized: to unintrusively overlay enriched visual information over our surroundings. This doesn't hit the unintrusively piece by a longshot, nor are the apps that realize this vision even announced.

Vision Pro does, however, provide a first step platform to develop those apps when the tech does shrink to an everyday wearer.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by noelrock »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

Spurious enough comparison given there were phones, a developed phone market which was 150m+ globally even at that stage, and demonstrated clear use cases for an iphone (an ipod, a phone and an internet browser combined).

Yep it iterated and yep app store really rocket charged it beyond where it was envisaged on day one. But it was also an existing market, albeit one that was at the foothills of its potential.

AR/VR too is at the foothills of its potential. But the fundamental problem is: even when its potential is realised, it'll still just be relatively niche and relatively fringe. This stuff simply is not going to be mainstream in a serious way. And without being mainstream, there is no real revenue stream of utility for a company of Apple's size.

I have no idea why people are doing such backflips to come up with potential use cases but most of them just aren't runners. This will sell to an extent for Apple but it'll be a rounding error on their balance sheet at best - even in future versions - though I imagine a lot of the tech will end up elsewhere, so it won't be a complete lost cause for Apple.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by andybak »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #406
andybak wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you mean voice calls then I disagree. They seem to becoming less important every year.

What percentage of people worldwide use smartphones with no voice service at all? Including voip.

That's beside the point. You can have voice calls and choose not to use them very often.

I'm talking about actual usage. My personal observation is that usage of voice calls is declining - especially among the young.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by mattfrommars »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

> The first iPhone was pretty crappy.

Holy sht. Can people really* stop comparing launch of VR and with Iphone?

I have been reading tons of comments here and only to see the OP, and folks with similar post here to be proven wrong. Again after again, proven wrong!

The fundamentals question is where is the killer app! Like original poster, this shouldn't be hard for a three trillion dollar company!

Only if there was a way to filter out post that go along the lines of

"....The first iPhone was pretty crappy.... "

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