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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by donohoe »

dahfizz wrote: post #386
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

SF still has above average violent crime[1]. Its top 7 in terms of overall crime, so being "just" above average for violent crime seems not so bad in comparison. But the objective reality is that BOTH property crime and violent crime is worse in SF than in most other cities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Maybe. That data is 4 years old (from 2019)

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dmix »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Post by narrator »

ggambetta wrote: post #308
jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

Out of curiosity, how does one avoid getting knifed by a junkie in the alleyway?

I once was walking in downtown with a lady I was dating and a guy who looked homeless and was obviously very high snuck up on me and wrapped his arm around mine and started talking to me. I did not get scared, I just talked to him like he was my best friend. He said, your girlfriend is really pretty, and I said, "Yes, she is is!" and I asked whether he was having a nice day and wasn't the weather great and made small talk about various things. He released his grip on me eventually and walked away and my date didn't even realize, until I told her what happened later that there was any sort of danger. Street people are so used to people being utterly horrified of them that if you treat them like they are a normal human being, they'll be less likely to want to act violent toward you.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dahfizz »

rootusrootus wrote: post #74
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Thanks for that. I admit to buying the narrative. Part of that is because my nearest city of any substance is Portland, and it's not especially violent. SF does look more violent compared to Portland, but objectively SF is actually just average or less. Lots of big cities are more violent[0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

> but objectively SF is actually just average or less.

Did you look at your own source? SF is 37 out of 100 for violent crime. That's comfortably above average, not "average or less"

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

wootland wrote: post #390
comte7092 wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting that you feel the need to say you don’t mean to politicize this, when the topic is already quite clearly political in nature, you’re simply addressing a point in an ongoing political discussion.

Why is one tech exec killing another tech exec "political by nature"? Seems the definition of personal or business related, not political.

I believe the point is that peoples alternative theories of the issue being due to homelessness are the political ones. So by calling those people out, the commenter is opening themself up to political discussion.

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Post by smsm42 »

cool_dude85 wrote: post #368
jmull wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder if all the many commenters who had preemptively blamed homeless or poor people for this would change their mind in the light of this, You should understand that San Fransisco has serious problems with homelessness and crime. While some people may have been mistaken about the root cause in this particular case, that doesn't invalidate their very real concerns. > all tech executives to be forcibly housed in…

>You should understand that San Fransisco has serious problems with homelessness and crime. While some people may have been mistaken about the root cause in this particular case, that doesn't invalidate their very real concerns. It's true that the perfidious Other did not commit this particular crime even though I speculated immediately that They did. However, keep in mind that they are still a big problem! Me being…

You think you're being clever but you're just unwittingly being true. SF problems existed well before the case of Bob Lee and will persist - with the help of people like you - well after. Whether or not this particular case is part of them we'll soon see, but either way the problems are absolutely real and obvious to anyone not working very hard to not see them.

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Post by [deleted] »

cemerick wrote: post #172
stickfigure wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels a bit like you're championing a narrative of "See, it's not so bad! You'll just get your stuff stolen and your car vandalized!" I wouldn't feel so smug about that. I lived in SF for ~15 years, experienced multiple car breakins (when I had a car) and one weird guy who walked up to me on the street and said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you" (which I somehow calmly ignored). For the record, I didn't com…

The only thing I'm "championing" (just pointing out, really) is that certain populations seem to enjoy using anecdotal tragedy to promote their own quasi-apocalyptic worldview re: some American cities, despite all available data contradicting that worldview. I'm sure everyone here appreciates the update on your locale, and your own stories of property crime and/or non-criminal (yet perhaps unnerving?) personal intera…

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Post by Insanity »

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

Depends on what your baseline is though. You are perhaps feeling safe because you're used to SF.

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Post by actionablefiber »

whalesalad wrote: post #335
pm_me_your_quan wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's clearly not enough. Tech executives are doing too many drugs and it's leading to this kind of behavior, it's a cultural problem. They need fewer broken families and more time spent in church. And these rotten ones they need to be under constant watch by strict, controlling wardens.

One of the reasons tech executives are successful is because they do drugs and don't go to church.

Indeed. I mean, once they couldn't get their hands on ZIRP anymore the withdrawal symptoms were pretty violent.
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