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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by megous »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Thinkpad T440 - 7 years of daily use (could probably use some cleaning inside). I expect it to last quite a bit longer, still. It did cost $500 + some upgrades. Windows 10 is still supported. :)

17 or so year old IBM T41 stopped working about 2 years ago.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bloqs »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #194
enlyth wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from this, if you're an enthusiast who likes to build their own PC, component prices have gone insane. A flagship GPU is 2000 dollars, and motherboards are priced so high that Gamer's Nexus decided to do a 25 minute video rant about it. The returns are diminishing, it's not worth to get a 4090 RTX with DDR5 and a compatible mobo, if for 1/3 of the price you can get 90% of the performance with a used 3090 and DD…

> The returns are diminishing Always has been. Buying top of the line technology is paying an early adopter penalty. People talk about FPS (frames per second) with gaming PC's and I think its an unnoticeable arms race about numbers. If the human eye can't observe more than 60 FPS and you aren't playing competitively (aka professionally) what will that extra FPS boost get you? Paying for bragging rights (ironic observ…

I've extensively tested framerates and times across a lot of monitors over the years. The 60FPS human eye limit is either incorrect, or the display of frames on a monitor affects how movement interpolation is handled.

After about 160Hz/FPS you start to not be able to tell the difference.

The difference between 60hz and 120hz is night and day. The difference between 120hz and 144hz is noticably better, the difference between 144hz and 165hz is very slightly better, the difference between 165hz and 240hz is not really noticable, the difference between 240hz and 360hz is imperceptible.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ecliptik »

gaoshan wrote: post #378
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

I'm still rocking a maxed out MacBook Pro from 2013. The battery IS shot but plugged in and connected to a monitor it still gets the job done as a home machine.

Maxed out Macbook Air 2013 here. Replacing the battery was surprisingly easy and cost about $30. I should replace the SSD at some point too.

It's still getting new MacOS releases/updates using OpenCore Legacy Patcher [1]. Once MacOS is ARM only will put Linux or OpenBSD on it and see how long it goes.

1. https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by nrki »

varispeed wrote: post #351
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

> with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. Technically it is replaceable - replacement of surface mount components isn't actually too difficult and tools that are needed are affordable. Problem is that the Apple won't give an option to buy memory or SSD chips on an open market. While the replacement wouldn't be feasible for a typical laptop user, plenty of mobile repair shops would have done…

> Technically it is replaceable

It's not user-replaceable. It would not be _that_ difficult for Apple to keep a SODIMM slot free, or even come up with a new standard - as they are wont to do.

Apple sacrificed upgradability in the name of making more money - it's as simple as that.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by peyton »

CyanBird wrote: post #379
factorialboy wrote: post #328

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@ajross, money printing leads to inflation, not salary growth.

Why make verifiably false statements like this? >... > It isn’t clear that increasing interest rates will have any impact on lowering prices. The nascent resurgence in inflation being experienced across the world is primarily still due to supply chain disruptions. The mechanism by which rising interest rates are supposed to impact inflation is essentially by increasing unemployment, which weakens workers’ bargaining…

Would prefer to see a more reliable source on economics than a democratic socialist magazine website. Maybe a balanced review in an academic journal.

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Post by paxys »

carlmr wrote: post #316
donkeyd wrote: post #283

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There's a lot of crypto shills that want to scare people into thinking fiat will inevitably fail, so people buy their imaginary currency.

>so people buy their imaginary currency. While I think you're correct regarding the crypto bros, every fiat currency is imaginary.

The US government and US military are very far from imaginary.

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Post by carlmr »

giantrobot wrote: post #388
carlmr wrote: post #316

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>so people buy their imaginary currency. While I think you're correct regarding the crypto bros, every fiat currency is imaginary.

I can pay my non-imaginary taxes with dollars. All my other bills also helpfully accept dollars. This gives dollars a useful non-imaginary quality crypto does not have.

It's still imaginary. It's belief-based. Just living in the imaginary world of a lot more people than crypto.

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Post by bloqs »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #20
KptMarchewa wrote: post #14

M1 generation was so good that it prompted way more users to jump to it; that demand would spread over multiple generations if it was not so good. On the other hand purposefully gimping M1 would gimp ARM adoption. By delivering great performance, they've build up a lot of goodwill - people willingly port their stuff to macs.

I'm on an M1 MacBook Pro, and had to check settings to remember it's almost three years old. Zero issues, performs wonderfully, probably going to keep for at least another two.

My M1 Macbook pro is exactly the same, it's probably the best computer I have ever had (but younger me that tinkered more probably hates me for it)

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by joshstrange »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

This has been my experience since I first went from windows to mac. People always talk about the "Apple Tax" and it's real but it's not as obscene as people make it out to be when you factor in longevity. I had friends in college who were replacing ~$400-500 machines almost yearly while my ~$1,200 machine (2009) lasted all 4 years and then some. I only upgraded since I was using it professionally and wanted some more power. I have friends who are using their old MacBooks from college up until a few years ago (over 10 years). Now if you are using the machine professionally you might want to upgrade more often but I still get 4 years easily out of my MBPs. I upgraded early (~2 years in) for the M1 Max because it was such a nice jump but I could still be using my 2019 right now if I wanted to.

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Post by layer8 »

Clubber wrote: post #162
patatero wrote: post #92

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> This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. wut. I have a 16GB Windows machine and it's fine.

I think he was being intentionally hyperbolic, alluding to the fact that Windows' published minimum specs are way to low (like Vista) and the actual specs needed to run are much higher because the bloat.

“Way too low” isn’t really true. I have RDP and Firefox and Word and Excel open, and Windows still uses just around 4 GB of RAM according to Task Manager.
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