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The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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As a society we increasingly focus on who is providing the input rather than what the output is for the society.

When Otis designed the elevator that would not do a free fall in case of a power failure—-he was looked from the lens of a charlatan rather than a significant output that helped society climb the tallest skyscrapers without effort.

Whether Sam is Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde hardly matters, but can he concoct a potion that prevents the society from transforming into evil.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

It's not the job of the government, it's the job of citizens. Citizens MAY outsource parts of this to governments, but we primarily need labor and the working class to have the majority of economic power. https://libcom.org/library/workers-control-wage-system-ideas... I'm dedicating my life to building for-profit commercial cooperatives based on this simple principle of voluntary association.

> It's not the job of the government, it's the job of citizens

If only there was a system of government designed from first principles to reflect the will of the people...

This is just librarian tautology. It's not wrong, but any "citizen" organization you can imagine to implement whatever policy it is you want[1] is going to be isomorphic to a democratic government.

[1] You skipped this part!

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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I think GPT5 will have voice probably as input and output and maybe generative diffusion. You probably need some fact checking on that output though, maybe you can feed that output into GPT4 module fine-tuned for reality vs make believe.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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>Because this tech is somehow >inherently a good thing Without technology humans are just unworthy bugs.

It is generally accepted that some applications of technology are good and some are not, or at least not self-evidently so (weapons of mass destruction, environmentally disastrous things like PFAS, packaging every single product into barely-recyclable-once plastics, gene editing humans, addictive social media/FB/TikTok, etc.) Is this particular application of technology good, and even self-evidently so?

No, it's not generally accepted. F.e. weapons of mass destruction i.e. nuclear weapons saved hundreds of millions of lives. Your lack of imagination is not an argument against technology.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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I think you’re missing how much of a profound difference the intensive RLHF training OpenAI did makes in ChatGPT. Microsoft’s Sydney seems to also be GPT 3.5 based, came out after ChatGPT, and it was an utter dumpster fire on launch in comparison. Meanwhile nobody has even caught up to ChatGPT yet, not even Microsoft whose resources are the secret sauce you think is the game changer, and now 4.0 is out and even more…

No, actually. Microsoft's Sydney is GPT 4 [1]. 1 - https://blogs.bing.com/search/march_2023/Confirmed-the-new-B...

Wow, yet it still managed to be worse than ChatGPT. That’s quite an achievement.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Stop asking the market to look after collective interest. This is the job of the government. The ultimate effect of virtue wanking CEOs and corporate governance is to deceive people into thinking democracy is something that can be achieved by for profit organizations and that they can forsake the formal binding of collective interest through law. It's nice if people are nice but it is not a bulwark of the collective…

The market should absolutely be looking after the collective interest. That’s what the we the collective created the market for in the first place!

That requires you to view the free market as a tool to be wielded rather than a gospel to be followed.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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He's begging for regulatory capture. "I can destroy the world but I won't. My competitor's will, so regulate them." A shrewd plan considering he's not offering something beyond what another company with a large nvidia cluster could offer.

>A shrewd plan considering he's not offering something beyond what another company with a large nvidia cluster could offer. It's been 4 months, no one has released anything nearly as good as the initial release of ChatGPT. Meanwhile OpenAI has released GPT-4 and is trialing plugins and 32k context. Either their competition is incompetent or OpenAI is doing something right.

What about Claude from Anthropic?

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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> I don't know, isn't history really just a series of specific people doing concrete actions? That is like saying: “Aren’t human brains just series of neurons, firing at specific moments.” History is as much—if not more—about interactions between people, feedback loops, collective actions, collective reactions, environmental changes, etc. I would argue that the individual is really really insignificant next to the sy…

I think you're agreeing while arguing against my point :-) Like what is collective action, really? It's as you say - a series of individuals interacting, setting a course in a feedback loop, and then more people getting on board with that. It doesn't just happen, it takes individual instigators. It also doesn't just self-propagate. You need individuals, typically the same individuals, to show up regularly and consist…

What you are arguing for is a philosophical position called atomism or reductionism, (which contrasts with holism). It is a rather old school philosophy honestly (with holism also being old school, but not quite as much) as we are are learning more how important interactions are really to study anything honestly.

Modern philosophy of science kind of rejects the notion that you can study anything really by only looking at the atomic structure of it. This is to say, you can’t really study history by only looking at the actions of individual actors. Even in particle physics you have the 4 fundamental interactions, you have virtual particles, etc. not just. This isn’t to say that fermions and bosons aren’t important, it is just that it is hard to describe any physical phenomena without looking at the interactions between them. And in fact, by studying those interactions, you can derive certain laws and behaviors. History is no different, except the complexity is many many orders of magnitude greater.

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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It's not really AI we're talking, they haven't achieved an artificial Intelligence. The sooner we realize that, the sooner this overhype dies and we don't end up with another massively over-valued trillion-dollar company.

It's funny how no one sees it. Sam Altman is a "successful" entrepreneur, yet he never had a successful company. He made loopt, a defunct company which raised serious money at the time, and then he suddenly made it to YC as a partner. He, then, quickly rose through the ranks to become president of YC. Think of that for a second.

OpenAI is a company that can barely ship a functioning website, or have proper security for basic stuff. You'd not expect this company to be the future of AI, do you? OpenAI is not doing anything particularly special compared the LLM we have out there except they were a bit ahead and they spent more money on training. Other LLMs are catching up fast in a very short period of time.

Sam Altman is a master of pump&dump. He is very successful at creating hype and based on the number of people here who thinks OpenAI is the legit future of AI, I'd say he is pretty damn good at it too. See you in 5 years.

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