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Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by slim »

ramrunner0xff wrote: post #299
slim wrote: post #226

I feel privileged to watch this. I live in north Africa and I feel like taking a flight to California to go visit him, inquire about his health, tell him about my children progress at school, show him how much I love him and how much I'm grateful.

completely agree with you. ken and the not so big group of people who has positively shaped all our technology really need more appreciation from us users, although i'm sure he would be weirded out by it like any proper geek. That been said: thanks ken!

it's weird for me too. I really felt he was my grandpa

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by prmoustache »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #356

I was using a combination of windows/linux for a while until my archlinux laptop shit the bed after an update and I decided to say, fuck it, I'm finally buying a macbook because at least then I can still do unix shit without having to worry about everything working the next day. I'm not happy about "Apple Silicon", it does feel restrictive and often times the only way to get around it is to use licensed VMs, which fe…

Archlinux is a rolling release distro. Which mean you are supposed to: - update them very frequently - check the news before any update which mention any manual intervention needed

This is definitely a distro for people who want to get involved in the sysadmin part of it. A distro like Fedora will have a new release every 6 months and each release and ~390 days of support. You aren't expect to do manual intervention, just let it update itself upon reboot/poweroff from times to times and do a major upgrade, every 6 months to 1 year. Debian has 2y releases cycles and +- 3y of support, in the ubuntu world it is like Fedora or LTS (5y of support). If you want the longest extended lifecycle, RHEL and its clones have pretty much 10years of support without any fuss. Add to that the immutable distros like Fedora Silverblue, OpenSUSE MicroOS and some others where it is virtually impossible to make it shit the bed, even while being stupid.

So in the linux world you can definitely choose your poison, from the less eventful one to the one needing more attention. It looks like you didn't choose wisely. If I had to setup a distro for the least knowledgeable people, I would set it up with an RHEL or Almalinux and install a more modern browser through Flatpak. As long as the hardware is supported from day 1 they would expect a desktop that do not change at all for 10years.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by prmoustache »

smoldesu wrote: post #347
sbuk wrote: post #288

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It’s understandable when you consider why , but that doesn’t fit you narrative.

It was understandable that Apple stopped shipping Nvidia hardware. Blacklisting Nvidia hardware and preventing the installation of Nvidia drivers is another thing, though, and goes too far in speaking on the user's behalf. If that's somehow more of a "narrative" than Apple's perspective on the matter, I don't know what to tell you.

Can you event change the GPU for an nvidia on any Apple device? If you are talking from a hackintosh perspective, I understand they are perfectly allowed to not caring about that.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by lapcat »

dcow wrote: post #398
lapcat wrote: post #273

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> Developers are really lazy. Speak for yourself. > We have terms like DX and UX. It’s not a false dichotomy at all. It's still a false dichotomy, because they're not necessarily opposed. Making the native Mac software DX worse can also make the UX worse, and making the DX better can make the UX better. When I said "Eventually everything on the Mac will just be a cross-platform afterthought", I meant that the UX is b…

Lazy in this context doesn't mean “lacks work ethic”. You might be unfamiliar with the Gates quote. Point is devs often whine when they have to take the scenic route even if it’s safer for the user. Anyway, I’m not saying they’re at odds and you can only pick one. So we seem to agree. I’m saying devs should be applauding better security and not whining about the transition away from user-domain security which is kind…

> I’m saying devs should be applauding better security and not whining about the transition away from user-domain security which is kinda what is implied in the OP.

It's not better security, it's security theater. Security researchers roll out of bed in the morning and find bypasses to macOS TCC (Transparency, Consent, and Control). I've done it myself, and I'm not a professional security researcher. The so-called "security" doesn't actually stop real malware, it only stops honest developers from making a living.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by lproven »

kristopolous wrote: post #366
justin66 wrote: post #365

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I think we can all agree that a man who is unaware of the troubles you have experienced obtaining Raspberry Pis at list price is nobody's hero.

Do you want more? He didn't know pac's relation to he-aac, or digital FM was renamed hd radio (which uses mdct, based on he-aac, based on pac). I was volunteering for the debian booth and thought Debian and raspberry pi os had no relation. None of these things matter because you're just being an asshole.

> digital FM was renamed hd radio

I had to Google this. Seems it is some US-only thing I've never heard of.

The rest of the world calls digital radio "DAB" and occaisionally "DAB+". I've bought 2 DAB radios so far this year, since moving back to a country where I speak the native language.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by lproven »

Koshkin wrote: post #117

Have lived with MacOS on a “late 2014” Mac Mini until it became so slow as to be virtually unusable (amongst other things). Now happily run Linux on it.

FWIW I still use a 2011 Mini and my fiancee's laptop is a 2009 MBP.

The one thing you need to know is that, just as with Windows, occasionally, you must reformat your machine and reinstall the OS clean.

Do not migrate your files & settings. Backup your files, yourself, manually, by hand. Clean install the OS, reinstall the apps you need, yourself, manually. Then copy back your data.

If you use an automatic backup tool, it also brings all your cruft back. Don't do that. Do it by hand and only keep the stuff you need, not what some automatic wizard app thinks you need, because they don't think.

It is, in my experience, much less of an issue with Linux. Helps there occasionally, too, though.

Old Macs are still perfectly usable if you do your housekeeping. They have not mystically slowed down over the years or anything.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by ilyt »

cglong wrote: post #362
ilyt wrote: post #331

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SELinux in particular is complex enough many vendors just give up and write "disable SELinux" in install manual... Also it is totally not fit for the "ask user for permission" model.

It worked for Android! https://source.android.com/docs/security/features/selinux

Android app vendors are not writing their own policies. So there is a lot of code between SELinux and "what's actually usable to the user".

Like, stock RedHat does too, it just took a ton of effort (and bugs) to get there.

But then it is complex problem so its no wonder that the tools to do it are complex too

I wouldn't actually mind android-like permission model for out-of-distro packages (snap/appimage/etc.), maybe a bit expanded so I could say set this this and that folder for the "graphics editng app", and maybe save that as a profile to apply to some other similar app to ease on repetition/alert fatigue.

With maybe a layer to abstract some operations to not be just "allow this(remember choice)". Like file opening, if app calls to open a file I "just" want DM/WM specific open dialogue, with app/container name in the title and select the file to open.

Same for editing, I'd want to be able to just get dialogue "open file for editing", with app name and the permission to edit said file saved for the duration of the session so app doesn't need to re-ask me every time it saves the file.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by foobarian »

mwcampbell wrote: post #360
dang wrote: post #346

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Thanks for this! If anyone can suggest a good title for the talk as a whole, we'll change it above. (By 'good' I mean accurate, neutral, and representative of the talk as a whole.) ((The submitted URL was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaandEt_pKw&t=3473s , but our software swapped in the canonical URL, which has no timestamp.)) Edit: I've put a placeholder up there for the time being until we get a better suggestio…

I listened to the question and answer at the timestamped link, and I wonder if he was giving a completely bogus answer to see if anyone was paying attention. Consider: > I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Assuming that's actually still Ken Thompson talking, that makes absolutely no sense. He's several years older than Woz, never mind Apple itself. He was already well into devel…

Maybe he means by extension, due to the BSD link?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by watt »

mtillman wrote: post #304
klyrs wrote: post #170

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Thanks, the headline has all the appeal to me of "big celeb wears new t-shirt." The jukebox sounds awesome

I’m sure he’d laugh at being called a big celeb. Jukebox is def cooler than the headline.

If Ken is not a big celeb, then nobody is.
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