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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered... Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell

This Dahl situation seems ridiculous and deserving of derision. I would also like to bring your attention to the Florida school book ban which applies not just to new editions of one author, but to an entire state's education system. > Among the titles that have been removed and banned in the course of the vetting in her school district are Toni Morrison’s ‘The Bluest Eye,’ ‘The Kite Runner’ by Khaled Hosseini, ‘The…

...the vetting in her school district...

These are actually specific to the Duval school district, which was pulling books before the recent law, not to the "entire state's education system".

https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/ - 176 books removed from classrooms in Duval County, Florida, in January 2022 for “review.”

Local governments across the spectrum have always exercised the right to make choices appropriate for their communities, sometimes to great derision of opposing parties - e.g., left-leaning districts banning Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird.

Removing them from the school library (but having them available in many other venues) seems like a much smaller problem than attempts to rewrite existing works to fit the current atmosphere.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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This is truly depressing. It’s 3AM here and I can’t fall asleep. Where is this all heading? Where are we gonna end? The more “minor sensitivities” we take care of in such manner, the more “sensible” things we’re gonna do to “make it right for everyone”, the more they’re gonna be needed. Such a thin skin won’t be able to tolerate not even the wind. Just the other day, they were writing about replacing female with “egg…

> This is truly depressing. It’s 3AM here and I can’t fall asleep.

This is the symptom of a social media problem that you have, you should stop reading stuff that makes you that agitated.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Justifying censorship with other censorship is a spiral of doom.

Revisions by the rights-owner are “censorship”, now?

Yes, they are censorship by the rights owner of the author's work. Clearly and uncontroversially.

edit: also, a "rights owner" is what we call someone who has a government-granted monopoly on the right to publish a work. Granting or transferring exclusive publishing rights to entities that would be willing to censor a work would be a government end-run around prior restraint.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #292

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> that speaks an awful lot about his attitudes as a writer How? Especially when, to my knowledge, there is no anti-Jewish content in his children's books.

See this post by @jasonhansel https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34849383#34853283

Ok, I read the article [1] linked in that comment and I think it's mostly junk. To give one example, the author's picking on the large noses and wigs of the witches as somehow mirroring negative portrayals of Jews is a massive stretch. The stereotypes of witches include all sorts of negative prejudices against older women. Older people have larger noses (and ears), as their faces 'shrink in' a bit (and I think cartilage also can keep growing). Losing their hair or having 'strange' hair is also a prejudicial stereotype against older, unmarried, 'strange' women (because hair is considered such a defining aspect of 'normal' femininity).

The linking of 'secret societies who run the world' to an anti-Jewish message (to the readers of the books) is also a huge stretch and I think it wrong. That the people who actually 'run the world' are hidden was evidently part of Dahl's mindset. It's not an unusual mindset. Dahl attributed some powerful Jews as (at least part of) that 'secret society' in the real world, yes. I've read those anti-Jewish quotes from Dahl before and his thinking on the matter is pretty clear. But Matilda is a work of fiction. It's not at all strange that he reflected those 'secret power group' conceptions in one of his books with a cabal of witches actually running a fictional book world. But I don't think he in any way intended the book to be an explicit analogy to what he thought about our actual world situation, i.e. I don't think witches are meant to be a stand-in for Jews, and the big noses and wigs thing is pretty weak sauce to use to make that case, as I've already addressed. Contrast Matilda here to Orwell's Animal Farm which was written as an explicit analogy to the real world, and Orwell made clear links, e.g. Snowball == Trotsky, showing that he intended it as such. While Orwell's work is partly a warning against communism (and partly just a good story, well told), Dahl's Matilda isn't a warning against 'powerful secret societies who run the world', let alone Jewish ones; the secret, malignant society is simply a good fictional plot device and one that's been used many times before (sometimes with explicit prejudice, sometimes not).

[1] https://www.heyalma.com/is-roald-dahls-the-witches-antisemit...

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #251

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People (ok, old school liberals -like the Clintons- as well as libertarians and other freedom loving classes) used to make fun of sects and other religious minorities with uhh, different sensibilities who were too prudish or uptight for their alternative censored versions of popular works --well, the joke's on us! The speed at which history is being colonized to retroactively establish a new reality is pretty astound…

There is a time and place for both crass language and flowery language. You would get severely penalized for speaking in "high english" in some places, just as you would not (usually) want to cuss out everyone in your boardroom meeting.

> just as you would not (usually) want to cuss out everyone in your boardroom meeting.

Good you put that usually in there. It can be surprisingly effective when used sparingly.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I can be (and in fact am) empathetic. At the same time, I still take the position that non-binary people and other cultural minorities can simultaneously enjoy non-edited older fiction and understand that it may not have been written with them in mind (and may even be mocking or a little mean). Write new books. Make them as inclusive or exclusive as you want. I just think it's very telling that you hear so much about…

Yeah, that comment is just saying you can understand the changes empathetically. It's not saying they're good.

I can't square that with their last sentence.

Moreover, when I feel empathy with someone who feels different and unrecognized by society, something still keeps me from advocating for the censorship and misrepresentation of a writer's ideas and internal logic.

I think what's stopping me is the knowledge that if I'm fortunate enough to write something that lasts beyond me, I sure as heck don't want anyone updating it for the sensibilities of 2053. Putting myself in someone's shoes, I think there's a word for that

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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This is fucking outrageous! This is precisely the sort authoritarianism that I was taught to fear around the time I first read his books. Editing old books to comply with the current regime was one of the things that the bad guys did. That was one of the things our ancestors fought against in two world wars. What would Ronald Dahl say about this? How would you feel if they did this to your writing long after you are…

Unsure why you're calling this authoritarian when the government isn't even involved, and this is just a result of the estate chasing for more profits.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Authors make these kind of changes all the time during their lives to. As long as we have works with rights that outlive authors, the people that exercise those rights will do this just as authors do. We might think that those heirs have less of the “good artistic sense” we see the authors themselves as endowed with, but, it is generally the author’s choice who will inherit the rights, and from there it is those heir…

> nothing is lost in the changes

This; the old books still exist. No one is coming for them.

The copyright-owners have simply decided that the new editions of the books will be different.

Hell, this might even be a simple cash-grab: if the books aren't selling as well now, and their royalty checks are shrinking, they may have done some basic market research and determined that the perceived crassness of the works was turning off modern book-buying-parents, and decided they could make more money with a revised edition.

If you don't like it, there will be thousands, millions of old copies at used bookstores and libraries; most old books don't get new editions, anyway. And if that's not good enough, by around 2060 most of the copyrights will have expired (his work spans the 1978 copyright change), and you can republish them with whatever changes you like to your heart's content.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I normally don't care about this stuff... and it seems like a "nothing issue" but it really feels like someone is smoothing off the edges of classic works here.

All those changes culminate in an overall reversion to the mean (ordinary). Ordinary is boring... its story books. Shaving off attributes for the sake of what, exactly?

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #51

When people talk about “woke”, this is exactly the kind of thing they are talking about. People on the left are apoplectic about banning books for kids, yet here they are literally rewriting them. That is every bit as bad as what they claim is happening with banning books. The worst edits IMO are the ones just marked removed

Even in pretty far left and woke spaces I've seen most be against this. I don't even know who asked for this.
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