In 2008 I applied for the program just to learn and write hobby apps. What put me off was after paying I had to prove to Apple who I was by sending a scan of my (uk) passport. As a non US citizen my data has very little protection, so i requested a refund. It took a long time, but got a refund and made a small profit thanks to the exchange rate.
Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps
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#402While I'm not defending Apples practises against Hobby/personal apps (I wish these restrictions were not in place), you can use altserver to auto refresh side loaded apps which removes the major headache of having to refresh the apps once a week.
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Maybe that's because you were an asshole about it. For example calling them fanboys
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as they say. Bickering and attacking other people personally never makes for fun conversation.
That being said, the discussion goes beyond the feelings of people for and against Apple. This is directly about addressing their business practices relative to the rest of the market, and these side-effects suck. If these changes don't directly remove a feature you care about, then there is no reason to throw yourself in the line of fire. Apple, much like every other FAANG company on the ladder, is ruthless. They're a min-maxed value extraction machine with the greatest marketing team ever assembled. It's hurting the rest of the industry, to the point that regulators have to step in and tell them they're wrong. And when they do (like the Dutch antitrust ruling), they refuse to acknowledge the results as fair and ignore the fines.
That's asshole behavior. Petty arguing on the internet hurts nothing but your feelings. Apple's lack of accountability has enabled government surveillance, legitimized China's ethnic cleansing, and snuffed out anyone who would try to compete with them on their own platform. When you personally defend their mess, you look messy by association.
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Nice try, but I've found it's impossible to convince assholes that maybe people aren’t mindless fanboys, but rather that everyone has different requirements for their personal devices and it’s fruitless to try and force your preferences on them.
Nice try, but I've found it's impossible to convince nerds that maybe businesses aren’t mindless tyrants, but rather that every firm has different target markets for their business model and it’s fruitless to try and force your preferences on them. I would personally just not buy an iOS device for this reason, though now they're putting M* chips in them I suspect they'll eventually be jailbroken and able to run an op…
Nice try, but I've found it's impossible to convince businesses to break me out of jail.
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I would call that 'somewhat programmable' at best, but certainly not 'highly' so.
You don't get full access down to the hardware level, but equally the contention that these aren't general purpose computing devices and aren't programmable is just tosh. They're far more programmable, in the sense you can learn a huge amount more about programming on them, than the home microcomputers I learned to program on as a kid.
I guess I'm a bit younger than you, but on the computers I grew up with (Windows/Ubuntu/OS X), you were (and are) able to create and run any program you wanted. On an iPhone or iPad, however, you are limited to a sandbox; programs you write on it run strictly within the context of the IDE, and if you want to write any first-class programs (apps), you need to pay up.
In high school, I had a friend who was very talented at Game Maker, and he could compile his games as executables and distribute them to us via e-mail. That's impossible on an iPhone.
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> They made a thing, and you bought it. That's the key point: I bought it. It's mine now and I have the moral the moral right to do anything I please with it that isn't immoral. Granted, there can be laws that trample that moral right or artificial technical barriers that attempt to restrict it, but both are unjust. Attempted word magic spells such as "by using this product that you just bought you agree that you did…
> I bought it. It's mine now and I have the moral the moral right to do anything I please with it that isn't immoral. And ... you do? Is there some reason you can't do whatever you want with the device? This is like complaining that you can't use your xbox or television as a general purpose computing device. You can legally hack your own iphone. Go for it. You own the device.
You can legally hack your own iphone.
This is true, but only due to DMCA exemptions that Apple strongly opposed: https://www.wired.com/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/
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#409I remember having to save up in high school to buy the Windows 2.11 SDK. I think it was $500, which took me a month to earn. Later on, I got into doing apps on Palm, and had to buy Code Warrior. Then, commercial Unix where they charged extra for the "developer workbench".
The $100 is a decent value compared to an inflation adjusted $500. But I do agree with this being an affront to all that is good and decent.
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> When I can't copy MY photos out of MY device, without uploading it to Apple's cloud. Wait, what? (Not an Apple user - genuinely curious)
They probably mean from an iOS device to a PC/Android. It can be done without using iCloud, but you’ll need a macOS machine or special iOS app to do it.
You can download photos on a Windows PC through iTunes