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thefaux wrote: post #320
Veen wrote: post #292

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I think of these tools as "first draft writers". You can't rely on OpenAI's GPT models to do your research for you or replace knowledge of a particular domain, but they significantly accelerate the initial content drafting process. Then you edit and fact-check and adapt, as you would anyway, but you've cut out much of the time-consuming grind of getting words on the page.

There is something that I find deeply unsatisfying about this. For me, the first draft is as much about working through the problems space and considering possibilities. If I rely on a chat bot, then I am more apt to become anchored to whatever the chat bot spits back out at me. Even if what it produces is good enough, I do not benefit from the drafting process in the way that I would if I did it myself. Sometimes ma…

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Post by visarga »

thefaux wrote: post #320
Veen wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of these tools as "first draft writers". You can't rely on OpenAI's GPT models to do your research for you or replace knowledge of a particular domain, but they significantly accelerate the initial content drafting process. Then you edit and fact-check and adapt, as you would anyway, but you've cut out much of the time-consuming grind of getting words on the page.

There is something that I find deeply unsatisfying about this. For me, the first draft is as much about working through the problems space and considering possibilities. If I rely on a chat bot, then I am more apt to become anchored to whatever the chat bot spits back out at me. Even if what it produces is good enough, I do not benefit from the drafting process in the way that I would if I did it myself. Sometimes ma…

Actually it works not as the first draft, or the final draft - it is the middle draft. In stage one you just drop a bunch of bullet points, ideas, short notes. In stage 2 the model writes your article or paper. In stage 3 you fix it.

Almost 100% next iteration will sport a fact checker, powerful style and format controls, and a much larger context. The development of advanced fact checkers will have a big impact on anything propagated online.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by sva_ »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

People love the underdog, and even though M$ is huge, Bing/OpenAI are clearly the underdog here.

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Post by filmgirlcw »

neilv wrote: post #258
xorcist wrote: post #222

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One thing a lot of people misremembers is just how long it took. Microsoft Word was launched only couple of years after WordPerfect, in the early 80s. It didn't dominate word processing until the middle of the 90s. It took more than a decade. They basically built out the features and waited until their competitors made some strategic mistake, of which they made several in that decade. It was pretty much the same with…

> They basically built out the features and waited until their competitors made some strategic mistake, Microsoft Word was a loser, but then they changed out the operating system under the winners.

Yes, but the winner also refused to get with the times and embrace the operating system twice. First, they were abysmally slow to Windows 3.1, despite having years to get something together (in part b/c they understood that Microsoft wanted to win at word processing but they underestimated the importance of being on the OS anyway) and then a few years later with Windows 95.

Word Perfect had the OS changed from under them but also had every warning that the change was coming and refused to move to sturdier ground.

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Post by wombatpm »

xorcist wrote: post #222
dragontamer wrote: post #164

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Apple came after Blackberry. Dell came after Commodore / Amiga. Facebook came after MySpace. Google came after Altavisa and Yahoo. Verizon came after AOL. Alternating Current came after Direct Current. Microsoft Word came after WordPerfect. Chrome came after Netscape Communicator. Python came after Perl. Nintendo came after Atari. I feel like first movers advantage is a myth.

One thing a lot of people misremembers is just how long it took. Microsoft Word was launched only couple of years after WordPerfect, in the early 80s. It didn't dominate word processing until the middle of the 90s. It took more than a decade. They basically built out the features and waited until their competitors made some strategic mistake, of which they made several in that decade. It was pretty much the same with…

Perl killed itself with the Perl5 transition to Perl6. I lived the 3->4 and the 4->5 transitions. When I wanted to try my hand at OOP, I ran screaming from Perl5 to Scheme and eventually Python.

20 years later I'm still programming in Python.

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Post by p_j_w »

scarface74 wrote: post #365
p_j_w wrote: post #359

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There's a big difference: no one gives a shit about how authentic a resignation letter is. A thank you note, especially to a friend? Thoughtfulness and authenticity matter there. A lot.

And yet the greeting card industry with generic messages is $4.7 billion. https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/market-size/gr...

Who the hell gets a greeting card and doesn't add their own handwritten note? Especially for something that actually matters?

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Post by fleddr »

Tech reporting is so hysterical these days, and so is social media of course. A crappy demo, and before you know it, Google is declared dead. AI has wrong answers, which is the end of the world. Plus it's racist because I tried for 3 days to trick it into saying something racist.

Drama is the product, not reality or any actual in-depth tech journalism.

Google got a wake-up call, but search will be just fine. Google controls search defaults on Android, iOS, Chrome on Windows, and Firefox. Not to mention on TVs, voice control, it's everywhere.

Google can launch a new product to billions of people with the press of a button, Microsoft...not so much. You could argue they can push it into Windows, but most people are on their phones these days. Microsoft has no serious presence in the consumer space anymore.

This is what will buy Google time to integrate a competing service, which I expect to be better as it sits on a lot more data.

Just kidding, I would absolutely recommend dumping Google stock.

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Post by schrodinger »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #145
nwienert wrote: post #61

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Bing isn't dominating anything haha.

Bing's image search is better than google's. Hands down. While this has been popularized for ...ehem...nsfw reasons, it's also very useful to find charts and visualizations related to a particular topic. As an example, I was searching for charts that showed laptop vs desktop market share, and bam! There's the latest projections.

Tangent: I wonder if Bing has an advantage in that most people perform SEO for Google; so long as Bing has different algos it may be “immune” to Google-focused seo?

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Post by scarface74 »

p_j_w wrote: post #406
scarface74 wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet the greeting card industry with generic messages is $4.7 billion. https://www.ibisworld.com/industry-statistics/market-size/gr...

Who the hell gets a greeting card and doesn't add their own handwritten note? Especially for something that actually matters?

What next? “I haven’t watch TV in 10 years. Who watches TV anymore?”

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We changed the URL from https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/02/google-employees-cri... to the article that one is pointing to.

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