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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by verisimi »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #322
notrealme1234 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't want to post from my main account to avoid any references and trails. It goes beyond just sexual harassment at work. I was accused by my ex wife. Even before any trials or anything: I lost my job, banks, housing and pretty much anything that requires a background check. I fought this for a year, and everything was dropped, because her friend came as witnesses and explained how she and my ex wife planned on set…

The real issue is that people stopped caring about whatever the justice system is going to decide. There's a new religion of social justice, and this religion is harsher than even the old religions. The old religions you were at least judged by an omnipotent being who could see the whole picture. This new woke religion have you judged by a dumb mob. Everyone's playing the judge and everyone's responsible to punishing…

Law is a control mechanism.

The legal system is nothing to do with justice - it is a general accepted arbitration mechanism but god knows why - there is nothing good about it. In fact there is lots that is bad about it - not least the fact that the governance system can decide what is legal or illegal, but will of course never hold itself to those standards. And then it can do things like mandate insurance payments under threat of revoke your 'license to trade'. Or pass laws to retrospectively tax people for what was legal at the time. All in the name of keeping people safe or something..

The only winners in the system are the governance system that receives fines, and the legal personnel (eg lawyers) that charge fees to use their 'special license' to help their clients navigate the artificial terrain that they know something about.

Duels to serve 'justice', when your honour has been besmirched, is a better system. It is quicker and cheaper, does involve gaslighting everyone into believing in some archaic nonsense, you directly address the cause of your complaint. It would also help crystallise whether this is something one is prepared to die for, or whether it is better to pass.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by FredPret »

kuriho wrote: post #380
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't the company be in big trouble if they fired you after that email?

Why go through all the trouble when they could just make you quit?

Perhaps you could build a case for constructive dismissal if you document everything including the sexism email

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by benj111 »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #384
actualwitch wrote: post #368

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Everything in your comment is pretty reasonable until this: >And this is a direct result of lack of religion You claim this like it's proven to be true. It's not. The reason for this inherent ask for social justice in my opinion has nothing to do with religion. Instead, I feel like people got disappointed in existing justice system, looking at nasty people going through life unfazed, even though it is painfully obvio…

So the justice system built by many intelligent professionals failed, but the dumb mob justice will succeed? It is the lack of religion, because religion is exactly what would fill this gap in the minds of people from seeing injustice. Maybe the earthly judges failed, but I don't need to be cruel and punishing because the criminal will get what's coming for him in the next life. It doesn't even matter if this argumen…

>So the justice system built by many intelligent professionals failed

No it was built by people like you and me. You know those useless people in your office? They're also in the judiciary. You know that stupid policy that while it may have some uses, leads to other bad outcomes but no-one can be bothered to fix? That's also present.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by GauntletWizard »

throwaway5674 wrote: post #351
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

A throwaway account... I am a male who was sexually assaulted by another male. Strictly speaking I was raped, but I prefer not to use that term because of the emotive nature of it. There is not much you've said I disagree with, but I do want to show that this goes both ways. I have never made a public accusation about the individual involved in my case because I do not have irrefutable evidence that it wasn't consent…

Teaching "Consent" doesn't work. The monsters who commit sexual assault don't believe in, and in fact cannot comprehend consent. They view it as a checkbox they have to check, a speedbump that once they're over they can ignore. They absolutely love consent education, because they can claim they had consent, and make it a public circus of litigating he-said-she-said.

I'm not going to use a throwaway - I am a male who was sexually assaulted by another male. It's happened to me more than once, in very different ways, and quite frankly for all that it's scarred me I consider it good experience that taught me a lot.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by ukFxqnLa2sBSBf6 »

cb504 wrote: post #302
sokoloff wrote: post #268

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Hard disagree. If I decide I can have a closed-door 1:1 or a lunch 1:1 with some of my direct reports but not with any that are female, I’m inherently discriminating against them. I’d way rather treat all employees fairly and fade a <1% chance of a false accusation than to treat employees unequally and cut that chance in half.

I had a Professor in college who refused to meet with me behind a a close door, and we were both male. He kindly explained that he picked this up from a former professor of his. He wanted zero possibility of a student accusing him of sexual misconduct. At the time I thought it was a bit strange, but I agreed and left the door open. 20 years later, it doesn't sound so strange anymore.

Everyone knows you can’t sexually assault someone if the door is open good rule of thumb though

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by GauntletWizard »

roarcher wrote: post #264
riedel wrote: post #212

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I really wonder about press standards in this case. Both parties are not public figures. Is it normal 8n the US that both are named and pictures are published. I think here in Germany typically at least a pseudonym would be assigned to protect the individuals. Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US?

> Is there any law to protect personality rights in the US? Not really. Ever see those "Florida Man" memes? The reason that's a thing isn't because people in Florida are particularly crazy. It's because public records are exceptionally easy to access in Florida, and those include police reports. And anything that's public record is fair game for the media. In some states (I believe Georgia is one), there are regular…

Those places are far healthier in terms of trust, because if you fuck up and end up in the drunk tank, everyone knows the sordid details. Everyone takes a piss at your dumb mugshot and moves on. In the societies where those records are hidden, you never know what skeletons someone has in their closet.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by [deleted] »

grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by benj111 »

notrealme1234 wrote: post #251
thinking4real wrote: post #217

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It’s not deterred because the idea that men will actually stand up for themselves is so low. Mixed in with systemic sexism against men in the courts of course If you want to change that, men have to hold themselves accountable for protecting themselves against women. You might not like that reality, it’s not a good one, but it’s true.

Civil court cases don't change anything, it's just dispute. And I don't think it's issue with sexism against men. I think it's social and judicial issue. I think it's good that people can come out and without expecting any harm accuse someone who caused harm physically or emotionally. But you will have people who will try to exploit the system to gain some lavage. Do you think social view on me gonna change if she wa…

> I don't think it's issue with sexism against men. I think it's social and judicial issue

How do you define sexism or any other ism if not a social and or judicial issue???

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #377

>Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees Why is this seen as exclusion? If you are bad at your job then you need to improve or suffer the consequences.

Yes, but if you are a Woman or Black or Indian (but not if you are East Asian!), you’ve been Institutionally Oppressed, so you can’t be good at your job. Apparently.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by FredPret »

neonsunset wrote: post #370

This is why I made a decision not to immigrate to US six-ish years ago when starting my career as a software engineer and considering future prospects. I just want to deliver fast code and good user experience, not worry about "politics" and completely subverted safety nets that are now weaponized against men, not even mentioning presumption of innocence flying out the window long ago.

You can still do that in the US, just not as an employee
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