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Re: New Mac Mini

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There are workarounds. https://www.macworld.com/article/675869/how-to-connect-two-o...

I know, but they all require granting full screen recording access to third party software on an ongoing basis, which is a complete non-starter in my case.

How does DisplayLink require recording access?

https://www.reviewgeek.com/75284/everything-you-need-to-run-...

Re: New Mac Mini

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External NVMe?

Yes. You can buy an NVMe SSD and put it into an external thunderbolt enclosure. Here is one random $115 option for a thunderbolt external NVMe enclosure with seemingly good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN Realistically, you probably don't even need a thunderbolt enclosure to have a good experience with an external Apple Photos library, but this option is still way cheaper than the prices Apple charges.

Wouldn't it bottleneck on usb. I thought the entire point of nvme was that it puts solid state storage on pcie lane.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Yes. You can buy an NVMe SSD and put it into an external thunderbolt enclosure. Here is one random $115 option for a thunderbolt external NVMe enclosure with seemingly good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN Realistically, you probably don't even need a thunderbolt enclosure to have a good experience with an external Apple Photos library, but this option is still way cheaper than the prices Apple charges.

Wouldn't it bottleneck on usb. I thought the entire point of nvme was that it puts solid state storage on pcie lane.

No, it wouldn't. Thunderbolt versions 3 and 4 are giving you 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0 on an external connector. You can easily get 3GB/s from an NVMe SSD in a Thunderbolt enclosure, which is the same performance as putting a PCIe 3.0 SSD into your computer.

We don't yet know how fast the SSDs are in the new Mac mini, but the M1 Mac mini was using ~3GB/s SSDs, which is the same speed you get from PCIe 3.0, and realistically.. that's plenty fast for this discussion regardless.

Re: New Mac Mini

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> More than a dozen chrome tabs and a few discord servers has been enough to crash/significantly slow down my m1 Mac mini On the other hand, maybe there should be pushback against shitty inefficient software? I remember a decade ago being able to have a dozen browser tabs and instant messaging clients on 4GB of RAM just fine, and neither the web nor instant messaging experience has changed significantly enough to war…

> On the other hand, maybe there should be pushback against shitty inefficient software? How would that work? You whine on an online forum over how bloated a software is, and in the process opt to be deprived of it's usage? Or would you continue to complain about bloated software while using it? Because none of those scenarios offer a compelling reason for the software maintainers to rearchitect their whole applicati…

> Meanwhile, a 8GB stick of RAM can be bought for what? 40€?

I think the M2 chips use on-chip LPDDR5. is it a 6400MT/s LPDDR5 stick for that price or a 2133 MT/s SO-DIMM?

Re: New Mac Mini

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Big question for me is - how will it behave when you also use icloud photos as well? And what if it's an encrypted disk? I'm asking because of the following: Let's say your laptop is 1TB, but everything except photos and for example dropbox is under 512gb. If you then need to restore, your new laptop has to be able to contain the full restore (1TB, or whatever is used). This also means you can't just run to the store…

I’m not recommending any of this for laptop users, at all. If the external drive won’t be connected 100% of the time, there are all sorts of headaches that can occur because Apple doesn’t really design their software to handle intermittently available disks, in my experience, except (for obvious reasons) for Time Machine.

Even Time Machine has issues with intermittently available disks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33762254.

Re: New Mac Mini

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Apple: please give your customers ECC RAM, we take data integrity seriously.

Serious question, what difference does ECC make on a laptop? I thought it’s only useful on a server or for situations that are critical (aircraft computer).

On Mac Mini, ECC is useful for OpenZFS/data storage integrity.

Re: New Mac Mini

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How expensive would it be? Windows XP (circa 2001) does it without GPU acceleration with ease on a 512MB ram machine. Windows Vista runs on 2G of ram, with transparency everywhere (to the point that it is distracting).

A lot worse than that. They didn't have 5K HDR 120fps displays and macOS has some significantly more demanding things than plain old transparency going on.

I find it hard to believe it would overwhelm an M chip.

Re: New Mac Mini

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I know, but they all require granting full screen recording access to third party software on an ongoing basis, which is a complete non-starter in my case.

How does DisplayLink require recording access? https://www.reviewgeek.com/75284/everything-you-need-to-run-...

Almost none of the YouTube/blogs recommending this mention it or seem to be aware (or have just clicked through and granted the permission without thinking about it), but it absolutely does require screen recording to operate.

The DisplayLink driver requires your admin password to install, and installs itself as a background process that records the screen constantly in order to software render the extra display. There are other similar products, they all work this way.

From DisplayLink’s own website:

https://support.displaylink.com/knowledgebase/articles/19509...

Re: New Mac Mini

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As I mentioned here[0], it is worth considering using an external, upgradeable SSD instead of paying Apple's exorbitant prices for more internal storage on a Mac mini. For a laptop, you would definitely want to upgrade the internal storage. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34413582

This is not a worthwhile solution. The jacks on mac laptops are prone to fail after a few years of regular use in my experience. I have to imagine usb-c ports are even more fragile than type a.

From https://www.anandtech.com/show/8377/usb-typec-connector-spec...

1,500 connect/disconnect cycles for A

5,000 for the Mini

10,000 for micro and type-c

Re: New Mac Mini

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>with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently When I owned a Mac mini it moved all the time: I took it on the bus with me to and from my girlfriend's house 100s of times. (Although it died faster than it would have if I had left it in one place, it did last almost 9 years.)

Obviously using an external drive as your boot drive might not be the best idea in that situation, but that situation does not sound fun at all.

Commuting by bus in not particularly fun (I assume that that is what you mean, though I'm not sure) but it wouldn't've been any more fun with a Macbook Air than a Mac mini: they weigh about the same, but if I had carried an Air I would have had to carry a charger or buy a second charger to keep at the girlfriend's house. And of course the Air costs more (even after accounting for the cost of the extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I kept at her house).
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