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Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth in wake of storm

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vkou wrote: post #320
mjevans wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a thought experiment. How might an AI trying to follow the intent of Azimov's three laws of robotics help the humans? Initial conclusion: the community is broken and dangerous to humans. Evacuation of at risk life necessary. Distribute and re-integrate across functional settlements.

That conclusion might be adjusted a bit when the AI reads into our history, and observe that our track record for resettling people is not great.

Negative examples might be easy to think of since they get tons of word of mouth and press coverage. Many of the negative examples (E.G. of 'native americans') you think of involve breaking up a functional community and relocating it against it's will en-mass.

Positive examples get much less coverage. Such as refugees that are spread out and integrated with host families and communities. Lives can be improved, and oversight and improvements might be had with the consultation or creation of experts in the subject.

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lazyasciiart wrote: post #259
kwhitefoot wrote: post #7

The real story here seems to me to be not that people burned their clothes to stay warm but that people in a place with fragile connections to the outside world had so little in the way of supplies to weather a relatively short period without food deliveries. I'm not blaming them, I assume that many of the affected people don't have the resources to keep a buffer stock.

> the drifts of snow have rendered their wood stockpile inaccessible It mentions a family running out of baby formula. Baby formula is in short supply around the country and also very expensive - many stores won’t allow you to buy more than one or two cans at once and if you’re buying it with WIC funds then you can’t afford more than a month at a time anyway.

> can’t afford more than a month at a time anyway. A month's worth would easily see them over the current weather problem.

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lazyasciiart wrote: post #259
kwhitefoot wrote: post #7

The real story here seems to me to be not that people burned their clothes to stay warm but that people in a place with fragile connections to the outside world had so little in the way of supplies to weather a relatively short period without food deliveries. I'm not blaming them, I assume that many of the affected people don't have the resources to keep a buffer stock.

> the drifts of snow have rendered their wood stockpile inaccessible It mentions a family running out of baby formula. Baby formula is in short supply around the country and also very expensive - many stores won’t allow you to buy more than one or two cans at once and if you’re buying it with WIC funds then you can’t afford more than a month at a time anyway.

Tangentially related: why does the US have such a problem with supplies of formula milk?

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Post by lazyasciiart »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #403
lazyasciiart wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the drifts of snow have rendered their wood stockpile inaccessible It mentions a family running out of baby formula. Baby formula is in short supply around the country and also very expensive - many stores won’t allow you to buy more than one or two cans at once and if you’re buying it with WIC funds then you can’t afford more than a month at a time anyway.

Tangentially related: why does the US have such a problem with supplies of formula milk?

A major supplier recall on top of all the pandemic related logistics issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_infant_form...

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Post by epistasis »

gadders wrote: post #398
epistasis wrote: post #153

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Here's a paper that is the best single source of quantification of learning curves that I know of: https://www.inet.ox.ac.uk/publications/no-2021-01-empiricall... With a detailed podcast episode here: https://xenetwork.org/ets/episodes/episode-159-the-cost-of-d... But any single paper in the literature shouldn't be trusted on its own. So I would encourage anybody who is interested to look for themselves at cost curve…

The technologies you mention are all intermittent, though.

Storage is not intermittent, and it's on there.

Distributed solar with storage is baseload technology.

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