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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by berkes »

stickfigure wrote: post #336
berkes wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you don't have a right to dictate to others how to run their business. Actually, we do. It's called democracy and how laws are made that companies have to adhere to.

Democracy has jurisdictional limitations. Good luck extraditing company owners/managers for the crime of "didn't display a cookie banner".

It's done all the time. And a reason why e.g. in the US or EU sites, domains, accounts and whatnots will be blocked or frozen for CP, whereas that (type of) CP may be legal in the place where the distributor is based.

While that's an entire different scale as "didn't display cookie banner" the mechanisms are the same and in place. If the EU finds privacy infringement important enough the infringer will be warned than fined[1]. I'm no lawyer, but I would expect that when a company doesn't pay that fine, they'll ultimately be prohibited from doing any business in the EU. e.g. through blocks, frozen accounts and such.

[1] https://commission.europa.eu/law/law-topic/data-protection/r...

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by gameman144 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #293
gameman144 wrote: post #216

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It's definitely hard to say that big corporations are victims , but I know that I personally find lots of bog standard legalese hard to interpret. Granted, lawyers have a lot more experience there, and more employed gives lots more perspective. At the end of the day, they are still human, and laws and regulations are still written by humans, meaning that it can often be hard to suss out intent from the letter of the…

The harder the better. Corporations should think thrice before collecting even one bit of information on anyone. They should be scrambling to forget everything they know about us the second we're done dealing with them. Storing data about people should actively cost them money. Keep adding difficulty and liability until they stop this surveillance capitalism nonsense.

Just so I understand your viewpoint, you're saying that the harder it is to understand/comply with the law, the better?

If your goal is to prevent data collection, why wouldn't it be better to just draft a law that says "It's illegal to collect data" with super clear rules and enforcement criteria?

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by hnbad »

nibbleshifter wrote: post #91
hnbad wrote: post #70

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TikTok Technology Limited, Ireland, will absolutely care if the Irish DPA sends a strongly worded letter.

Big "if". The Irish DPA is about as useful as a marzipan dildo due to being chronically underfunded.

Sure but the claim was that TikTok is practically immune because they're a Chinese company and thus don't care what the EU thinks. My point was that they do business in the EU via their EU subsidiary in Ireland and that one is very much subject to EU laws.

Additionally the alternative to having a subsidiary in Ireland with a "special relationship" with the Irish DPA (look up "GDPR one-stop shop") they'd be subject to every single DPA in the EU at the same time, not just the Irish one, which would also mean every DPA could fine them independently. This is why people familiar with this arrangement paid particular attention to the restructuring at Twitter Ireland (and especially its involvement in reviewing feature proposals for compliance) which seems to have killed its GDPR OSS role.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by starbugs »

Satam wrote: post #321
starbugs wrote: post #306

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Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell, maybe?

Could you elaborate which part of Cambridge Analytica's actions you object to? Not that I disagree but I don't consider targeted advertising, that is available to everyone during election, as a smoking gun of any kind. I assume you are more so referring to the fact they illegally obtained people's data (gathering of which wasn't related to targeted advertising).

To be honest, I don't remember the details and I don't want to waste time looking them up again anymore.

My opinion (and that seems to be that of many) is that targeted advertising is not desirable. Neither from a user perspective (I don't want to give my data to a FANG company) nor from a society perspective.

It opens up the flood gates for misuse like the CA case and it doesn't make the world a better place. And it's not only that isolated case, it's FB's own behavior - things like scraping and cross referencing Bluetooth network and contact information. It's a recipe for disaster.

Find a better business model.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by Zachsa999 »

johndhi wrote: post #288
Zachsa999 wrote: post #261

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Are you a Facebook employee?

No. Never have been. Nor do I work in ad tech. I'm an attorney who interprets laws, including gdpr, for a tech company that does not engage in targeted advertising.

Sorry, I just had to ask. I'll control myself better in the future

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by jamiequint »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #381
jamiequint wrote: post #202

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Of course it's a solution. The developer has a right to comply with the law in whichever way they see to best fit their needs as a business. If you don't like it then don't use the app, nobody is forcing you to and you don't have a right to dictate to others how to run their business.

> The developer has a right to comply with the law in whichever way they see to best fit their needs as a business. The key point here being "comply with". "Let me track you or you can't use this", confusing or coercive "consent" dialogs etc. don't comply.

"let me track you or you can't use this" ought to be well within the law. The idea that is isn't is pretty insane government overreach. The disclosure should be clear and obvious, but it should also be the right of two parties to enter into such an agreement without the interference of the federal government.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by snapcaster »

Satam wrote: post #122

No one's who's done business selling to consumers is cheering about this. What exactly is gained for the society when a business has to show bike ads to basketball enthusiasts?

Fuck advertisers, fuck surveillance. Nothing is gained for society when any kinds of ads are run, but less ability to track and spy on me _is_ good for society

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by Satam »

starbugs wrote: post #404
Satam wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate which part of Cambridge Analytica's actions you object to? Not that I disagree but I don't consider targeted advertising, that is available to everyone during election, as a smoking gun of any kind. I assume you are more so referring to the fact they illegally obtained people's data (gathering of which wasn't related to targeted advertising).

To be honest, I don't remember the details and I don't want to waste time looking them up again anymore. My opinion (and that seems to be that of many) is that targeted advertising is not desirable. Neither from a user perspective (I don't want to give my data to a FANG company) nor from a society perspective. It opens up the flood gates for misuse like the CA case and it doesn't make the world a better place. And it…

You asked me 'Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell?', but apparently it barely rang anything for yourself.

I see you haven't researched the topic in question and have stated you are not going "to waste time". This actually succinctly summarizes most of the knee-jerk reactions.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by starbugs »

Satam wrote: post #408
starbugs wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, I don't remember the details and I don't want to waste time looking them up again anymore. My opinion (and that seems to be that of many) is that targeted advertising is not desirable. Neither from a user perspective (I don't want to give my data to a FANG company) nor from a society perspective. It opens up the flood gates for misuse like the CA case and it doesn't make the world a better place. And it…

You asked me 'Does "Cambridge Analytica" ring a bell?', but apparently it barely rang anything for yourself. I see you haven't researched the topic in question and have stated you are not going "to waste time". This actually succinctly summarizes most of the knee-jerk reactions.

I never said that I didn't react in a knee-jerk fashion though. I think it's appropriate to react this way in this context.
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