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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

Let's be honest - baseless speculation because HN clearly shares all the same biases of the rest of big tech: https://i.imgur.com/Si183zE.jpg

A bias towards the party that isn't actively trying to dismantle Amercian democracy? Ooh, scary.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> using Tesla car owners as unpaid betatesters Almost right. Charging Tesla owners to beta test their autonomous driving software.

It's curious how many people are unhappy that someone choses to pay for an early-access product that's in beta.

Maybe because it's unsafe and misleading? The US Department of Justice has already started a criminal investigation [1]:

> Oct 25 - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is under criminal investigation in the United States over claims that the company's electric vehicles can drive themselves, three people familiar with the matter said.

> The U.S. Department of Justice launched the previously undisclosed probe last year following more than a dozen crashes, some of them fatal, involving Tesla’s driver assistance system Autopilot, which was activated during the accidents, the people said.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/legal/exclusive-tesla-faces-us-crimi...

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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post #71

As a reminder to developers and tech workers that are accustomed to the benefits of working in one of the more flexible and well-compensated fields for traditional employment, if Elon succeeds with his management style at Twitter—nay, even if he doesn't terribly and visibly fail—many folks managing large tech organizations and corporations in general will conclude that that management style is acceptable and sufficie…

Reed Hastings has just called Musk brave and the most creative person. Marc Benioff recently tweeted not to underestimate him. Normally I'd doubt any executive could look at what Musk is doing as a positive for anyone, but maybe you're right and the wheels are starting to turn.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> doesn't solve any of the problems Twitter now has > you have 2000 poorly managed, even more understaffed systems with 2000 different approaches It is not about short-term problem solving. It is about long-term investment in more decentralized social networks. 2000 different approaches is exactly what is needed for "natural selection" to do it job. > are first and foremost human, business, management and social prob…

>2000 different approaches is exactly what is needed for "natural selection" to do it job… The more (and sooner) people jump ship, the better chance we have to test and iterate. I don’t think users are going to participate in these sorts of experiments long term. People are signing up now out of fear and anger and hope but Mastodon still lacks the user base — people for you to follow and people to amplify your posts.…

> but Mastodon still lacks the user base

There are nearly 3M users across the fediverse. I can't keep up with my timeline. This genuinely sounds like the words of someone who hasn't actually looked at mastodon in the last month.

> people are expected to tolerate “a lot of iterations” before things work right I see them leaving

This is literally what Elon just said they're gonna do with Twitter.

Look, don't get me wrong, I think it's very likely mastodon remains a bit niche. But not for these reasons. I'm much more concerned about issues of search/discoverability, general usability, and the downsides of a purely chronological timeline than I am about either of the issues you just focused on.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

#405

If I had the time and resources, I would build a Twitter clone and focus on just getting journalists, editors, reporters, etc on the platform. This is a powerful community that is quite established on Twitter, but I suspect they would be willing to migrate. Maybe something like, Manuscript Wishlist or QueryTracker, but specifically with a Twitter vibe.

Or they could use RSS on their own blog somewhere?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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You need to be more specific - he wasn't banning George Takei or Occupy Democrats. He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots. Something that was previously against Twitter's TOS, but it wasn't being enforced specifically against ANTIFA accounts because Twitter employees were sympathetic to the cause.

> He banned ANTIFA accounts that were being used to plan "direct action", ie: riots Please provide evidence that accounts like Chad Loder were posting about imminent, direct actions to riot. I followed that account pretty closely for the last month and saw none of that. I would think about your comment because this is pretty defamatory.

Loder was suspended for ban evasion. He ran the masksfordoctors Twitter account, which was suspended last year for violating the covid misinformation policy.

That said, Loder is not a particularly nice person. He loves to both encourage violence and do violence to anyone who doesn't share his politics.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]

1. https://archive.ph/Xznhv

2. https://archive.ph/GrQIm

3. https://archive.ph/bHmmT

4. https://archive.ph/Bip8W

5. https://archive.ph/2z4Dd (The photo is of Aaron Danielson, who was murdered by Michael Reinoehl, a member of antifa.)

6. https://archive.ph/P1ljs

7. https://archive.ph/94vA9

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. They recently unbanned many controversial accounts based solely on Twitter polls. Who do they expect will believe these statements?

And banned accounts when fringe far right "journalists" complained about them. https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/elon-musk-twitter-andy-n...

First the article says Chad Loder was recently suspended because his name was provided to Musk by far right accounts. Several paragraphs later it backs off and says it might be that he was suspended because he was supposedly on a right wing list of people they were trying to mass report (suddenly this isn’t about Musk any more but the standard reporting mechanism). The evidence for this is an archive.ph snapshot of an obscure Substack by a username in Japanese characters who alleges on Nov 7 that Loder was on a list, maybe, when you actually look at the text it’s not at all clear what exactly the person is saying. The article makes no effort to explain this or confirm the information. It’s a pretty shoddy piece of journalism.

Even when Loder is quoted he openly speculated about what happened and says he doesn’t know. The piece is just a tissue of insinuations.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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> previous Twitter wasn't as transparent as it is now Reinstating accounts on the basis of a poll, on a platform you have spent months railing for having too many bots, is a good example of CYA transparency.

And are all the bots expected to vote one way?

That's your response? That polling is transparent because both sides will just turn it into a game of CoreWars, and may the best argument win (at CoreWars)?

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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There's no way to run a platform supported by ads that upholds anything resembling free speech. The advertising model is Twitter's fatal flaw. It puts the fate of the platform in the hands of a tiny corporate mob that are themselves subject to larger mobs. If "the mission" was truly driving Twitter, they'd drop all advertising and build enough value that some decent percentage of users would pay for it. In a few year…

Are there any social networks, in existence, at scale, which do not rely on advertising as their primary revenue source?

Not really? Maybe Patreon or OnlyFans represent the best examples.

But there weren't any real EV companies or private space companies before Elon Musk threw his hat in the ring. Whatever you think of him, he's clearly capable of doing things people previously believed to be impractical.

Taking a first principles approach, there's no reason to believe that a social network used by the most influential companies, people, and governments in the world cannot charge its users directly for the value it provides.

It does seem likely to be less profitable in the short-term but possibly more profitable (and stable) in the long-term.

Some back-of-the-envelope math:

1 million business paying an average of $100/mo is $1.2 billion/yr. That should more than pay the bills.

In addition, 10 million consumers paying an average of $10/mo = $1.2 billion/yr. That's a decent profit.

That is probably achievable in the next couple years, with potential for much more over time if they can expand the product and tools.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

#410

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No, he said "more than meets the eye" because of contradicting news reports in the medias early on when the story broke, with many unknowns and incoherencies remaining today. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/miguel-almaguer-remains...

Lol no, the "news report" Musk linked explicitly accused Paul Pelosi's attacker of being a spurned lover. Even the report you linked was apparently retracted because of some weird minor details about how the encounter with police went down, not the overall premise which is that the Pelosi house was broken into by a stranger looking for Nancy. Attempts to paint it otherwise are either just covering for Musk for some r…

I'll admit I had vague memory of Musk's tweet and thought he was merely questioning the overall narrative (which was quite messy honestly) with a text reply, but apparently he linked to an article with baseless claims like you mentioned.

I was willing to give Musk the benefit of the doubt about this initially, but that was clearly misjudged on his end.

I stand corrected.

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