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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by ajkjk »

gonehome wrote: post #358
ajkjk wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well urbit is kind of, like, a joke, right?

It's a serious project: https://zalberico.com/essay/2022/09/28/tlon-urbit-computing-... There's a lot of weird marketing, but it's a real thing.

I'm amuse to find that https://urbit.org/ is a lot more legit-looking than it used to be. Good for them.

Is it still based on 'Hoon' and 'Nock' though? Because inventing your own nonsense programming language is antithetical to a serious attempt at building something.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#402

Post by weeblewobble »

mola wrote: post #186

There's an axiom in discussions here where Twitter needs saving. Why? In what way is it non successful? In what way is it broken? I mean most Twitter discussions I ever saw are disgusting or plain dumb mascarading as profound. I don't think the medium of a public square like that is a good thing, and I would be happy to see its demise. But it seems successful in the way it usually lead the public discourse similarly…

I think there's two answers to this question.

For Musk, the answer is pretty clearly that he thinks Twitter is poorly run as a business and has no respect or confidence in their management. He thinks he can change the company to make more money.

For all the VC types he's texting with, Twitter is broken because it bans people, and because (they believe) those bans are biased against conservatives. The ban (actually a suspension) of the Babylon Bee twitter account for a satirical article naming a specific individual transwoman "man of the year" seems to have been a radicalizing moment among the tech oligarchy

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by camdat »

martyvis wrote: post #273
bmitc wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will watch it, but is he the same the “engineering” brain that thinks his Tesla tunnels are a good idea, continually promises tech that is decades away from realization is right around the corner (like self-driving cars or a humanoid robot or a Mars mission), and got replaced as the runner of the actual engineering organization (SpaceX)?

Elon clearly overpromises - but he also over delivers. SpaceX's current capability to deliver payloads to orbit is so far ahead of anyone else (particular considering they started from scratch only 20 years ago). Even their Starlink in just a few years had leapfrogged over incumbent providers. Tesla may not have achieved all they have promised but there is no denying they are the company that is leading innovation in…

> but he also over delivers

My family has had reservations for the Roadster, the Cybertruck, and we have a first-edition Model 3 & X.

Tesla has overpromised on all of our reservations, and the final product, imo, is not "overdelivering". It's honestly just barely "delivering".

>but even in their approach to manufacturing.

This is pure Tesla propaganda. Yes they have built bigger versions of existing technology (supepress, gigafactory), but they're definitely not leading innovation in car production, as evidenced by M3s still having the largest panel gaps in the industry.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#404

Post by BackBlast »

fredgrott wrote: post #64
ploum wrote: post #2

For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

It's called the Media business model where we get the user to trade privacy for features and earn revenue on abusing privacy. Given Apple's moves in the iOS app space and the way young people talk and behave; the next social media platform will be a low paid app that has full privacy and is non-ad revenue based and is centralized. It will be some company that is super transparent but at the same time has figured out…

I believe that you are close to the mark the market is starting to look for.

I hope to build a competitive system as I think I know how to bring it together with a workable business model. When I have the time...

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by weeblewobble »

happyopossum wrote: post #387
elil17 wrote: post #231

You can see in the other Tweets posted by that account that he acknowledges that he knows Twitter has fake users prior to making a private offer. Although the fake users thing was never and is not a valid legal reason to void the contract. However, it's incredible to see that he didn't have the foresight not text about the fact that he knew this ahead of time.

You're either deliberately ignoring facts to retcon this, or have not paid much attention to this at all. The question has never been "are there bots?"; it has been "did Twitter mislead me/the public about how many?".

But he says he wants to take the company private because if they fix their bot estimates it will tank the stock price. Which implies he "knew" the bot estimates were wrong (to the extent they were, which seems dubious based on available evidence) or in other words he was not misled

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by BackBlast »

drstewart wrote: post #375
bamboozled wrote: post #302

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He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people…

>He did none of that single-handedly though Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?

You just have to love the different collapsible goal posts everyone sets up for each other.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by xedeon »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #283
bmitc wrote: post #165

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I’d encourage you to do the same. Give concrete examples.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200... https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enou... Jim Keller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s

There are many other examples that can be found by just doing a quick search.

But it seems that some individuals even refuse to do so. They would rather stick to their strong (sometimes objectively flawed) opinions. Which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled to.

It's just embarrassingly bad when they try to regurgitate it to others and continue to double down. Even when presented with irrefutable data or new information.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by andrewflnr »

hardnose wrote: post #308
andrewflnr wrote: post #18

I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

Because if that's his real motivation, it's more efficient to build a competitor. It would probably be even more efficient to put polish on existing competitors like Mastodon. Buying Twitter is one of the silliest possible approaches. Thus, skepticism.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by stiltzkin »

kethinov wrote: post #112
brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

It frustrates me that Jack seems to have genuine interest in this topic but seems to be totally averse to discussing Mastodon. It's hard to believe he's unaware of Mastodon, so we have to believe he thinks it's not the solution for some reason. But how could it not be? Why doesn't he just use his big name and significant influence to throw his weight behind Twitter's most successful open protocol competitor if he rea…

Does Mastodon have measures vs bots and spam?, I think that's one of the issues they want to face for an alternative to Twitter.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by feet »

Huh1337 wrote: post #49
feet wrote: post #24

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That's hilarious, because for someone with a literal degree in physics he doesn't seem to understand the physics at all

Can you provide some examples?

The most prominent is the hyperloop. The energy needed to maintain the vacuum entirely cancels out, and possibly adds some, energy savings from reduced friction. Plus the speed gained would be negligible compared to a well designed atmospheric bullet train. It adds cost, complexity, and energy usage for literally no reason
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