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Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by petilon »

roflyear wrote: post #359
petilon wrote: post #208

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> Niemann has admitted cheating, but only in online chess, not over the board. That's a distinction without a difference.

Wrong. I've stolen things (I'm sure you have too - theft can be really small!) does that mean I should be labeled a thief in perpetuity? Beyond that, does it mean that I should be publicly shamed for it? Come on. You people need a heart.

If you have a criminal record, you will not be hired into certain jobs. Try getting a job in a cloud vendor such as AWS, Azure or GCP. They do background checks for a reason — you will have access to customer data of banks, the CIA, and other high-risk data. These cloud vendors have controls, and one of the controls is to not hire people who don't pass background checks.

So yes, if you have admitted to cheating in chess in the past, you lose certain privileges, such as competing in world chess championship.

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Post by bsaul »

esaym wrote: post #178
perihelions wrote: post #15

It's very remarkable that Carlsen is suspicious of Niemann's game against him in Sinquefield, since there's a clear consensus among other top chess players that there was absolutely nothing unusual about it (or at least about the moves played).

>at least about the moves played You missed a large part. Some of his moves were "somewhat suspect". However, he was interviewed after the game with Magnus and he really could not explain why he was making the moves he made. Even the interviewers were almost laughing as he gave his "analysis" for his own moves. He played off his top engine moves as just getting lucky, while at the same time stating he didn't make oth…

This post-game analysis sequence is IMHO the major reason the chess community grants full credit to magnus version.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by roflyear »

tux1968 wrote: post #329
roflyear wrote: post #203

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Being extremely competitive is not being a sore loser, and he is playful and spirited in trash-talk. But he ultimately always shows respect towards his opponent, even when he's extremely disappointed in himself. Being upset at a loss, which you'll see in a few videos, is much different than disrespecting the person who beat him.

I don't think Hans is very respectful. At this point it is all subjective anyway, and you'd moved the goalposts I feel, so good luck to you.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by 988747 »

russellbeattie wrote: post #217

The questions I have about this are pretty basic: 1. How would Niemann have cheated? The shoe computer theory is a bit far fetched - are devices that small capable enough? Is he suspected of having an accomplice? 2. Why didn't Magnus just say something right away? He could have easily made his accusations at the moment to event organizers - quietly - and they could have had Niemann remove his shoes or something. Inst…

> The shoe computer theory is a bit far fetched - are devices that small capable enough?

Yes, they are. The Stockfish game you can install on your iPhone would beat Carlsen almost 100% of time.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by aqme28 »

gizmo wrote: post #46

Why are known cheaters even allowed to participate in top level tournaments? It’s insulting to all the other chess players. Magnus is setting the right example by refusing to play Niemann

But he's not a known cheater!

He cheated as a minor in online play. He has never been shown to have cheated as an adult or in OTB play. Someone needs to prove one of those things before he can be blacklisted for being a cheater.

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Post by InitialLastName »

utopcell wrote: post #238
InitialLastName wrote: post #149

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Everyone in the audience has to be in their shorts, and the players need to be surrounded by one-way mirrors otherwise someone in the audience could use a computer and signal the players.

And the air temperature should be controlled because someone may signal single-bit information otherwise.

Be sure to pause train traffic through Penn Station, otherwise the Amtrak dispatcher could transmit seismic data depending on platform routing.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by bsaul »

aqme28 wrote: post #396
esaym wrote: post #178

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>at least about the moves played You missed a large part. Some of his moves were "somewhat suspect". However, he was interviewed after the game with Magnus and he really could not explain why he was making the moves he made. Even the interviewers were almost laughing as he gave his "analysis" for his own moves. He played off his top engine moves as just getting lucky, while at the same time stating he didn't make oth…

A lot of top play ends up being a certain percent intuition. Him beings bad at explaining his intuition is the lowest form of circumstantial evidence.

You should see the sequence. He was totally unable to explain any lines he had in mind, stating some positions were « obviously winning » (where it was absolutely not obvious, and in fact the engine marked it as loosing), etc. A total disaster.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by MichaelCollins »

roflyear wrote: post #321
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #246

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playing competitive Chess is a privilege, not a right like freedom. I'm totally fine with 0-tolerance, because the only penalty is you can't play in competitions. If you want to play chess with your mates, no one is going to stop you.

It's the dude's livelihood, though. There are laws about taking someone's tools if they owe a debt for similar reasons. I think it is a very similar thing.

I think there's little dispute that he's a very good chess player. He could perhaps earn a modest living as a chess tutor. That should be good enough, he's not entitled to riches.

Re: Dear Chess World

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Post by casion »

roflyear wrote: post #263
casion wrote: post #205

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He did cheat in impactful events, and he admitted it.

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Online games often:

- are how players make their living in cash tournaments

- qualify for OTB events (including wct events)

- are rated by FIDE or national organizations

- count for points in otb/online hybrid tournaments.

All of those are significantly impactful for a professional player.

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